Nameless WaveDancers, present and past

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So my next project with regard to WaveDancers lore is - list all the "nameless" WaveDancers portrayed in the comics and give them at least a face, if we can't have names to match up. Using my mock-up timeline/birth order for ref, I tried to sort them in three (rough) age groups; ELDERS, UNKNOWN AGE and YOUNG. In present time these guys should all be dead, with the possible exception of some survivors from Zephyr's band (Wavecatcher says there were missing bodies in the carnages).

I included characters from the "WINDKIN" story where Windkin saves a WaveDancer girl (not-canon, though I cannot find for the sake of me a reference to where it's said. I'm guessing it was some time or other in the mailing list but not sure - if someone can point me to an actual reference of Richard declaring it Worldpool that would be of great help!) and the "EARLY ART" from the various teasers and the Chaosium RPG companion book on the sea elves (which according to "Turning Tide" inspired the new WaveDancers).

While I can only assume that there were at least some cousins to the "actual" WaveDancers in Zephyr's band... figuring out who the other nameless are is just wishful thinking. But anyone who might feel like writing stories or art about the WaveDancers past could certainly use them as "gap fillers", give them names and connections and what not. Cutter Smile

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POSSIBLY NOT-CANON
(derived from the flashback of the slave girl in the "Windkin" miniseries)

Male with long hair and pointed sleeves (shadows look like Darshek - if canon, this could be Pirn)
Female with long hair and bracelet/anklers (if canon, this could be Spray)
Male child (if canon, this is very probably Reef)
Female child (could be "Minnow" the slave girl - she's quite young-looking and has matching hair)
Male with short hair (if canon and the female below is Longfin, this could be Shadowcrest)
Female with long hair and (possible) fish tail or dress (again could be "Minnow", because the hair is drawn in a very similar style. Otherwise, and if canon - this could be either Longfin or Farbright.)
Male with short hair

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ELDERS
(probably alive when Coral's tribe settled at Crest Point)

Male coralshaper (this one was the third healer living at Crest Point when Reef ran into Winnowill. He survived Coral's death, though we don't know by how much, and died before "Turning Tide".)
Female with short hair
Couple (could be Longfin and Shadowcrest)
Possible tailed male (could be Salt)
Possible tailed female (could be Farbright)

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UNKNOWN AGE
(might have been born after Coral's death and left the tribe with Zephyr, or alive from long before)

Female with hair pulled back (could be a younger Fairshell)
Male with straight hair (could be Haze or, more likely, Drift)
Female with a headpiece (could be Farbright)
Female with a spiky headpiece
Male with a headband (could be Redcrest)
Female with fair hair
Male with dark hair
Seven of Zephyr's followers
Tall male with sideburns and facial fins (could be a young Surge or... Surge's father?)
Female with straight hair (could be very possibly No-Ripple)
Female with a headpiece (could be Farbright sans tail)
Male with dark hair (could be Stormsong)

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YOUNGER
(members of Zephyr's band, who knew little of the ocean beyond Crest Point)

Male fisher
A couple (or at least they look like a couple)
Male with very short hair/bald head
Seamstress (?) with short hair (could be Glimmer who taught Wavecatcher how to make sandals from animal hides)
Male with long hair
Male who swam away
Male
Female with long hair (I believe it's her in Wavecatcher's arms)
Couple (could be the sitting couple seen in the beginning of the flashback)
Male with ponytail

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EARLIER CONCEPTS
(from the previews and teasers)

Two male pips (probably early takes on Tumble and Moonmirror, who were both meant to be boys, like Suntop and Ember in the earliest EQ sketches. But they can also be present-time adults when they were pips.)
Long-haired female (possible early take on No-Ripple or Coral?)
Watershaper of unknown gender (possible early take on Surge - before it was decided he'd have a crest instead of hair. Failing that it could be his mother Coral oran earlier take on Snakeskin. Or... maye Surge's father?
Male pip (despite the fins and bracelets I'm positive this is an early study for Puffer, since he looks just like him).
Four elf-hands, at least one of which belongs to a female (judging from the headpiece, it's probably Coral - if so the heavily finned hand at the very left probably belongs to Surge).
Female with harpoon from the Chaosium RPG art - (probably evolved into Krill andFoam)
Male fisher from the Chaosium RPG art (probably evolved into Haze - and maybeSpine)
Fishers at sea from the Chaosium RPG art (could be an early take of the scene in "Turning Tide" with Krill, Redcrest and Kroosh on the boat, or have inspired the tale thatTumble wants to hear about how Spine and Stormsong caught a spinefish together)
Female riding a dolphin from the Chaosium RPG art (could be an earlier take on Korafay
Male pip diving for shellfish from the Chaosium RPG art (probably evolved into either Puffer or Foam)
Long-haired female from the earliest "Final Quest" previews (looked like either Brill, whom it stood for, or Spray. Perhaps she'll be brought in again as a future character?Sunstream's WaveDancer form was based on an earlier design too...)

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Some musings and speculations between me and @Embala

The coralshaper / third healer

(look out for the OMG - "Luke, I am your father!" moment at some point in the speculations Wink

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Embala wrote:: The coral shaper - my initiate thought was: Darshek! ... guess it's the wrong time for him, tho.

ChristinaRaibert wrote:: Yeah, that was my exact thought too! As far as age goes, it's a definite possibility as Darshek is seen shaping a spear tip in the panel before (also, this is post Coral's death, so he'd be alive for sure). But the different top and the shaped ears are what leaves me puzzled - unless it's just an artistic slip?

A pity it can't be Pirn, who died long before those events - that'd account for a strong resemblance between father and son!

Also, something Snakeskin said about his being more comfortable shaping corals instead of flesh makes me wonder if coral is perceived as rocks and stones at all - Longfin was seen shaping a sand sculpture for sure - but I think aside from Snakeskin, this was the first instance of coral-shaping ever portrayed. I wonder if it's a separate gift - or just another facet of a healer's abilities?

Embala wrote:: Rockshaper work with dead material. Stone, minerals, metals ... I have no idea how they influance it. Make it fluid maybe - or manipulate it on an atomic level.

Corals are alive - the calcite "stone" is nothing else but the skeleton of smal animals. When you shape living corals you need to manipulate the animals - deal with organic stuff. It's best comparable with a treeshaper's ability - remember how Redlance made the dreamberry bush and the new Fathertree grow fast and strong?

Of couse it should be possible for a mere rochschaper to shape the calcite skeleton - but this would most probably kill the coral animals. And dead corals are a poor barrier - damaged and torn apart by waves soon.

For the sand Longfin only needs rockshaper qualities.

A living coral barrier requires healer abilities - wouldn't hurt to influence both the animal AND the calcite skeleton, tho. Additional rockshaper knowledge could be helpful.

Embala wrote:: I think all the "shaping" abilities - all the magic in fact - come from the same source and exist in each elf .
All Humans can see, hear, smell, feel, taste, sing or shape something. Some are especially gifted on one or the other level - in elfin case this would be showing magic. And it is rare because 1. Adode weakens the magic and 2. most elves are not trained at all.

With the Palace and enough leisure time each elf could learn everything ... but some would still prefer one or the other magic because they are especially gifted there.

Just how I put it together for myself ...

ChristinaRaibert wrote:: Good point there - that'd also explain how Korafay developed floating abilities which were never before seen among WaveDancers. I wonder if that might turn out to be the case for Ohler as well? I'm thinking about that panel with him, Newstar, Redlance and Nightfall - perhaps returning to his old gardening habits will bring forth some plantshaping power in him?

And now I think about it... if coralshaper is another branch of healing, the male coralshaper was probably the "third healer" living at Crest Point when Reef ran into Winnowill! O_O

Embala wrote:: Have I given you a thought?

I had the same idea about Ohler ...

ChristinaRaibert wrote:: You sure did!

That would make sense... he might have been like Snakeskin - more comfortable shaping coral than flesh, and not near half as powerful a healer as Skimmer (whose magic abilities, I think, were very close to Leetah's). And he lived at least for some years after Coral's death... I wonder if he actually lived to see Zephyr's band leave? Would have been logical to take at least one healer along for the ride when the main tribe had Skimmer, Skimback and Snakeskin (although his powers, at least, might have developed later in his life...).

Maybe that was just it? With three healer - and a possible fourth yet to come into his own - the tribe felt that they were safe enough at Crest Point like in any other place, if only they learned to defend themselves? Somehow I'm reminded of how self-assured Leetah first was when she met the Wolfriders. Maybe the three healers, even in the wake of the recent deaths, felt compelled to stay and protect their kin rather than leave on an unknown venture. I get the impression Zephyr and co went strongly and very much against their tribe's judgment when they decided to leave...

Also... that could totally be just me, but... isn't it possible that this healer/coralshaper fellow actually was Stormsong? Maybe he sacrificed himself in some way or other when No-Ripple was pregnant with their son. He could have tried to heal an injured sea critter at the risk of his life (Leetah and that troll, anyone?) or lingered around the corals to reinforce the barrier - against Surge's expressed orders - and thus exposed himself to the humans harpoons... would go with No-Ripple stating that he was "lost through no fault of a chief's decision".

And coincidentally - that throws a new light on the friendship between Snakeskin and Spine, if Spine's brother had also been a healer, and Snakeskin's possible mentor...

That's the awesome thing with WaveDancers - there's so much to speculate

The "early concepts" art

Spoiler:

Embala wrote:

ChristinaRaibert wrote:: And Tumble and Moonmirror underwent a gender swap

Who says that this teaser captures the time we know from the beginning of WAVEDANCERS?

- a very young Surge
- the female at the boat being Coral
- Salt, of course
- two pips we know as adults in WD#1 (you can tell better Who they might be, Christina)
- and a battle scene that is just coincidental with the one we are familiar with

... how about this? Skywise Wink

ChristinaRaibert wrote:

Embala wrote:

ChristinaRaibert wrote:: And Tumble and Moonmirror underwent a gender swap

Who says that this teaser captures the time we know from the beginning of WAVEDANCERS?

- a very young Surge
- the female at the boat being Coral
- Salt, of course
- two pips we know as adults in WD#1 (you can tell better Who they might be, Christina)
- and a battle scene that is just coincidental with the one we are familiar with

... how about this? Skywise Wink

Yeah, that's another great possibility - the beautiful thing with early time art is the speculation Laughing Pike

And obviously I'm up to trying to find names for the pips among present-time adults Skywise Wink

Let's see, they seem two boys... most obvious pick would be Kroosh (the one with lighter hair at the left) and Strand. But I don't want to go with such obvious a pick, and besides there's no indications that the pips are siblings and not just playmates.

According to my timeline - which might have underwent several changes from the time the teaser was sketched - the pips around this time were Wavecatcher, Gull, Glimmer, Sandspinner, Sandsparkle (possibly born only after Coral's death) and maybe Strand. I suppose it could be just any of the boys (we don't know if Glimmer was guy or girl) - but if I was to make a bet? I'd say the one with light hair is Wavecatcher (there's some slight resemblance there) and the one with darker hair Strand - the only pip whom we know for sure has darker hair than the others Troll Tongue

Or failing that, the one on the left could be the nameless fisher in Zephyr's band - he had fair hair too.

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Whew! And this is done! Smile

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DO YOU EVER SLEEP????????????????????????

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Mwhahahaha, no Very Happy

My mind keeps working on more WaveDancery-ness (is it even a word? Well it is now because I say so Troll Tongue

) at all times of the day and night!

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'shipper
"She answered his faraway, telepathic call, introducing him to her watery domain. Her longings fulfilled, she knows he will soon go by another name on this world... and on many others. Will she go with him?"
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If it hadn't been for you in the Scrolls, I most likely wouldn't know/learn as much as I do about them!

NOW I WANNA DRAW ONE! ><

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Kindredsoul wrote:: If it hadn't been for you in the Scrolls, I most likely wouldn't know/learn as much as I do about them!

NOW I WANNA DRAW ONE! ><

Yesyesyes please draw a WaveDancer please please please with a little seashell on top! Smile

*makes super cute puppy eyes at Kin* Trinket

C'mon! You can't say no to Trinket! Very Happy

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*blinks*

You evil when you do that!! ><

There can't possibly be a force in this world that resist ChristinaRaibert puppy eyes Shocked

I'll give it a go... but only if you tell me what characters/scene you'd like to see drawn ^__^ I do better when an idea is given!

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Yippeeee!

Thank you thank you thank you thank you!! Very Happy

*hugs*

Hmmm how about someone from Coral's time? Coral and Surge's dad? Or one of Zephyr's followers, those poor guys need some eye candy love! I love you

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I shall see what I can come up with! ^__^

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Wheeeee!! *dances happy dance* Very Happy

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"She answered his faraway, telepathic call, introducing him to her watery domain. Her longings fulfilled, she knows he will soon go by another name on this world... and on many others. Will she go with him?"
Sunstream and Brill, 1999 "Lovemates" Calendar

Subject: Re: Nameless WaveDancers, present and past Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:11 pm

As for the latest picture, the one from the early Final quest...( do you have the whole picture? Long time since I've seen it ) I think it's supposed to be Brill, even if she look more like Spray. But love the idea of a future character Wink

You can see she looks a lot like Brill, but more..."dressed up", with the head piece and the extentions Wink

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I'll see if I find a larger version of the pic for you, Blackbird Smile

Yeah, I think she was meant to represent Brill's role in the "Final Quest" (so... we'll see more of her, other than as Sunstream's lifemate and Korafay's mom? All I've had since the "Special" is the mention of her hair getting tangled in a coral fan! I need my Brill fix! Razz

). But looking at her in hind-sight, she also makes me think of those new Ent/elves... hey, maybe one of them Recognizes a WaveDancer, and she could be their child? Now that would be an interesting twist! Smile

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Subject: Re: Nameless WaveDancers, present and past Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:28 pm

I also wish to see more of Brill ( and the rest of the wavedancers ) Many interesting characters that only has played background parts until now. ( Moonmirror is potential the prettiest elf ever! )

That WOULD be a interesting twist Wink

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Yay! I've given up hopes to see Wavecatcher and Wavelet make a stand... but a girl can hope Wink

Agree about Moonmirror - I want to see her become Snakeskin's lifemate and chieftess of the tribe. I've been rooting for those two all along Very Happy

Guesses about who her parents could actually be? My bet is on the "leader-type" for father... and mother, either Spray (but I think that'd be way too obvious!) or someone else. Wavelet would be a nice choice - she's a plantshaper, he's a wood elf. Or... maybe No-Ripple? I'm not sure Krill would like following her sister's footsteps - she's more like Ember I think, not really that much into the whole motherhood thing.

("Leader type" means the red-haired male who seems in charge of the other ents. He might not be the chief after all... that's just how he struck me ^^)

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Subject: Re: Nameless WaveDancers, present and past Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:26 pm

Yay! I've given up hopes to see Wavecatcher and Wavelet make a stand... but a girl can hope

There you see, I had already forgot about those two! And the only reason I knew about them was Wingthings alternaverse, she made him Yuns mate. They deserve to be included in FQ.

Moonmirror as adult could be stunning, and she seem to have a lot of potential, so yeah, why not with Snakeskin? I love No-Ripple, but don't see her and Snakeskin as recognized anytime soon. ( Isn't she flirting with both him and Spine...? ) We need more cross-tribe recognizions! We need more Wavedancers recognizing, and we need to be really suprised Very Happy

Potentials among the Go-backs and Sun-folks are many, and the Wolfriders has a few themselves...Freetouch, Sust, Pool, Mender, Yun, Skywise, Pike, among others have never recognized.

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a propos nameless Wavedancers, what happened to the child of Brill's former lifemate? Did it die?

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Subject: Re: Nameless WaveDancers, present and past Sat May 09, 2015 3:23 pm

Yes!

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