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Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #10
Tymber

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #10    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyThu Jul 30, 2015 11:57 am
Stargazer wrote:

Perhaps Timmain thinks she's expressing emotion and affection, but after tens of thousands of years as a wolf, she just forgot that her ears don't move and her tail can't wag?


And that's another thing - in issue #9, she was being completely bitchy to Skywise. And in Issue #10, he's like, "Man, she's a hottie! I can't get her out of my mind!" Then by the end of Issue #10, Timmain's like, "Oh! Look! I shaped myself to be your size! Let's go make beautiful music together!"

It just feels like it's everywhere.

It's like trying to watch a tennis match while fast forwarding the entire thing. My eyes are back and forth so much I have a headache.
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #10
Tymber

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #10    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyWed Jul 29, 2015 8:47 pm
TrollHammer wrote:

If, indeed, FQ is only 24 issues, well that puts a whole different slant on the pacing for me.
I had thought that the story arc for FQ would be quite a bit bigger than what would fit into 24 issues.
I had wondered about it before,but until I read Manga's post about a 24 issue limit (quoted in another post), I didnt want to assume the worst.  It tells me that MAYBE they dont have the page-space to dwell on some of the relatively "minor" stuff (stuff that used to make the OQ so interesting and fun to read) to get the meat and potatoes finished by the end, if you will.


The Original Quest ran 20 issues. Just 4 less than Final Quest.
The Original Quest was their first real dive into comics (not sure if Wendy had done writing elsewhere).
And the pacing of the Original Quest is infinitely better.

The Original Quest was broke into "arcs."
The arcs were (I feel) -
1. Issues #1 through #5 (Lose home to life at the Sun Village)
2. Issues #6 through #10 (life fast forwarded w/cubs to Forbidden Grove)
3. Issues #11 through #15 (The entire Blue Mountain Saga)
4. Issues #16 through #20 (the fight against the frozen trolls for the Palace)

The Final Quest?
So far it feels like:

Arc 1: All the elves take their sweet time getting to the Palace, while over here Ember and Tier are going on and on about Recognition, and then she gets captured, and then the humans prepare for war, and let's go back to the Palace, oh by the way - all these elves arrive. And hey, new reader - look, Timmain and Skywise are Recognized! What do you mean you have no idea what that means? Or the impact?

I think you make a very good point (I forgot to quote it), that Final Quest makes NO attempt - ZERO! - to even ease any NEW readers to the series. So if someone decided to pick up ElfQuest: Final Quest, for the first time, never having heard about ElfQuest but thought the art looked great - would have NO idea from it's very first issue to understand WHAT was going on.
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #10
Miss Gillespie

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #10    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyWed Jul 29, 2015 1:26 pm
manga wrote:

#1: FQ is slated for 24 issues, so issue #10 isn't even the halfway point. .


If this pace goes on, than nothing will happen until #24  
Hopefully this 'moving chess pieces at their places' is finally over

Maybe the stories of future quest and rogue's curse will get rendered obsolete, I have no idea how they can fit Jink into this
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #10
manga

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #10    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyWed Jul 29, 2015 12:49 pm
Tymber, "sup" as the verb form of "to eat supper" has been around for a long time. Wendy's not cutting corners to make that rhyme.

So I was noodling about on the FAQ page today and I found a couple of things.

#1: FQ is slated for 24 issues, so issue #10 isn't even the halfway point.  Though I am definitely not happy with the development vis-a-vis Rayek and Winnowill, well, I wouldn't have been happy with whatever issue of "KotBW" featured the timetrip either.  I'll hope for better developments.  I don't think it will involve the ret-conning of "Rogue's Curse" out of existence but there may be at least a better spin on things or even, dare to hope, the folding in of a conclusion.  (Since we don't know how far out, in the elves' time-line, the ending will actually be.)

#2: "When we first met Cutter, his wolf-friend Nightrunner warned him of danger via a crude sending. At that point in the story, a few of the Wolfrider wolves retained just enough elf-blood (from the time of Timmain and Timmorn) to be able to send. Now, in the time of Final Quest, many thousands of years later, that “blood” (and ability) has been completely diluted – bred out, actually – to the point where the Wolfriders’ lupine friends are 100 percent wolf. So no, they can no longer send."      No more elf-blooded wolves at all, though it seems to me that by the same logic, the Wolfriders shouldn't have much wolf blood left either.
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #10
Tymber

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #10    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyWed Jul 29, 2015 2:06 am
Multi-Facets wrote:
It's not exactly sudden; Skywise was drawn to Timmain before the Shard War. I think I'm remembering that time frame correctly anyway. (My mind operates on a twisted version of wolfsong.) But yes, Recognition and Jink seem imminent.

Lunakat wrote:

Skywise's infatuation with Timmain is hardly sudden. He's been mooning over her for several storylines. She walked directly to him in Book 7 (Cry from Beyond) and they've been tied to each other's hip ever since... minus that 10,000 years that Skywise was time travelling.


You're right. I guess I forgot it. And he didn't seem to be pining over her in Final Quest (or that's not the impression I got for these last 10 issues), he seemed more concerned with the Palace - and then all of the sudden in Issue #10, he's like, "Oh My High Ones! You know what? I can't seem to get my mind off this High One, who just the issue before acted like a Supreme Bitch that would put Winnowill to shame!"

Kindredsoul wrote:
*raises hand*
Um... did I miss something? Did Timmain change the "No helping the new elves" rule at some point and I totally didn't see it?
The new elf that came out of the pod... did he reach the Palace at some point? When did they pick him up? Was he in issue 9 and I missed it? Or is this another unwritten "assumption" that he did make it at some time during the time skipping and it just wasn't shown?
There's like three time skips going on in this issue that's left me totally lost and confused.
And I guess he *sang* to Skywise at some point and that's how Skywise knew so much about him already?
Shocked scratch Shocked scratch


New Guy (with the big No Hump) definitely came from the Palace - because there was the Call - and then when it says he stopped - it shows him looking around in a single panel (along with a few others who suddenly no longer hear the call).

But then - BLAM - he's suddenly there. Which begs to question - how does Skywise know so much about him if Skywise was just hanging out with everyone a second ago? It's not like we saw Skywise greet the new guy.

This book is making a lot of ASSUMPTIONS (emphasis somewhere specifically in that word) which in my mind, is poor writing.

The writing feels like it's everywhere. Some things I feel have been dragged out to death, while other things are entirely skipped and assumed. It feels like they've lost their ability to pace the story - something they once excelled at so much.
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #10
Miss Gillespie

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #10    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyWed Jul 22, 2015 11:23 am
Lunakat wrote:

Shuna was as old as thirty when she had her kid? I thought she was in her twenties... It can't have been more than three years between 'Discovery' and Shuna's baby being born. And it wasn't long between 'Searcher and the Sword' and 'Discovery'. Wasn't Shuna about eighteen in 'Searcher and the Sword'?


That's my point, Shuna can't be that old and they talk as if she'd be dust and bones weren't it not for Leetah's magic.

For me, the most disappointment is, that almost nothing happens in Future Quest, it seems to drag. In OQ, by issue #10 Cutter reunited with his family and Nightfall/Redlance in the forevergreen. And there is no difference in the number of pages

Elwing wrote:
LOL! I totally read that as "Aurek... he cut the tattered remains from decomposing glider bodies and stitched it together".

Me too ^^
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #10
Redhead Ember

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #10    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyFri Jul 17, 2015 6:03 am
Embala wrote:
After SO many preview teasers they may think the NO preview is the best teaser. Wink
You see ... people already suppose that the content of FQ #10 is too dense to allow preview ... too exiting to give away anything by preview spoilers.


Makes sense. They're creating a lot of buzz by not having posted a preview yet, what with people going "Where is that preview?"
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #10
Embala

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #10    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyThu Jul 16, 2015 5:44 pm
After SO many preview teasers they may think the NO preview is the best teaser. Wink
You see ... people already suppose that the content of FQ #10 is too dense to allow preview ... too exiting to give away anything by preview spoilers.
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #11
TrollHammer

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #11    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyFri Jun 12, 2015 10:40 am
Thinking of Jink... wouldnt it be interesting if it turned out the wolf she met in the desert (at the crashed ship) turned out to be Timmain?

@Miss G: I had thought it was implied in her dream Jink was part wolfrider, or had some tie to them.... of course if say:
A) the elves get into another argument over the use of the palace (Rayak/Cutter type usage argument)  
B) Timmain gets sick and tired of it and leaves, possibly never to be seen from again until after the leave  
C) Timmain, being a high one and instrumental in Sunstreams training is able to ignore/ block out the call/link
D) the elves (known and newcomers) get all wrapped up in a fight over what to do with the palace until the Djin is knocking at their door
E) the fighting causes Mindcoil to be formed from Winnie's ol dingbat spirit, which Egg then later presides over in a roll reversal.
F) in a knee-jerk reaction to the Djin's cannons (that he finally creates from the pistol design) that are actually damaging the Palace, they take off for parts unknown, third star to the right and straight on until morning.
G) two edge and his misfit trolls blow the heck out of the Djin, ending that one small part of the dangers of Abode.
H) those that are left behind then kick off the real Final Quest to figure out how to survive in a world thats trying to destroy them... Without the parachute of the palace.

Or

The elves get all settled in to wait for the centuries it will take for the other kin all over the place that they ARENT picking up... but the Djin shows up so they gotta leave, but they'll be back again some day. Egg, who was there the whole time at Blue Mountain, builds a magical vessel within Blue Mountain so the spirits of all those that die during the wait have some place to go, but this gets bastardized into Mindcoil later by the human Black Snakes.

Perhaps this vessel was already made by Egg during the last 10000 years for the specific purpose of holding Winnie's spirit...

Oh, and for the twist in last issue (#10) Timmain reveals a way for Skywise to get his wolf blood back... who does so but not until after Cutter gives his up to be with him... So tragic! :p  just joking.

Edit: just was thinking, Kahvi was given an egg by Egg at some point, but I dont know what happened to it. He stated he would make another. He demonstrated how only he could allow others in or out of it to her, in that he tells her that if she killed him she would have no way to get out. Assuming it would work for spirits as well, he had been devising a method that could be used to contain Winnie.
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #11
Blackbird

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #11    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyFri Jun 12, 2015 7:57 am
Just something I'm thinking about...about 50 % of readers thinks this mysterious Star-child is Timmain, maybe shape-changed or something, but why is she looking like her self again in cover 11 then? ( like a wolf I mean by that, if she is recognized or something like that, wouldn't she stay in that form? ) And she is mentioned with Cutter, not Skywise? Don't prove anything, but gives me hope...I don't really love the thought that Timmain is Star-child.

The rest...wow, kinda frustrating getting this tease now, when it's still over a month before we get #10.
The Moonshade thing can be her removing wolfblood, and that's why Strongbow is sad on the cover, but Oddbit and Mender?? Have no idea :O Maybe e get some clues in #10, but else....have NO idea. Winnowill....what does winnie want? Razz Nothing good I guess.

Wouldn't it be typical if the wildest speculations ended up being true, and Cutter and Timmain recognizes and that explains Leetah and Skywises worried faces on that cover, and whole teaser picture of Cutter we got some years ago?
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #9
Redhead Ember

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #9    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTue Jun 09, 2015 4:05 am
Tymber wrote:
Redhead Ember wrote:
I don't really think it's necessary to hide spoilers anymore. It's been almost two weeks since issue #9 came out, and there'll always be someone who haven't read certain things. Seperated threads for each issue doesn't make sense to me either; after all we don't just discuss the events in issue #9 (or whatever) but things that happened in earlier issues as well as what might happen in later. We've already had a lot of discussions about what might happen in issue #10, and I'm sure as soon as the cover for issue #11 is published we'll go nuts again.

But maybe for issue #10 - and future issues - we can make any agreement to hide any spoiler stuff under the spoiler-tags for the first week.


I think everyone does it different. For me, I run a website for the New Warriors comic (granted not being published at the moment) - but the general rule was 30 days for spoilers. (Basically until the next issue came out). Some people can't make it to the store the first week or two that it comes out (whether lack of funds and what not). So having a "general" thread, where they may want to discuss something in issue #8 (from an ongoing thread within a general one), may on accident see something that happens in issue #9.

So individual threads, I think work the best. As for "what might happen in issue #10" - that's all speculation. So that's normal conversation - but at least it's contained within the thread about the issue that's trigger that speculation.

Although, as a side note, I eventually found a PHPBB add in that allows you to highlight text and put it in Spoiler tags - so you can't see it without clicking it.


It wasn't so much potential spoilers for future issues I was referring to, as the fact that we'll just never be able to talk about just the specific issue a thread is dedicated to.
As for spoiler-tags; we got those already!

SPOILER!!!!!:



G0lden wrote:
I'm glad Wing and Aroree settling things between the two. Teir and Ember seem to be on the same page for now.


You mean Windkin. Wing is dead.
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #9
Tymber

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #9    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyMon Jun 08, 2015 5:55 pm
Redhead Ember wrote:
I don't really think it's necessary to hide spoilers anymore. It's been almost two weeks since issue #9 came out, and there'll always be someone who haven't read certain things. Seperated threads for each issue doesn't make sense to me either; after all we don't just discuss the events in issue #9 (or whatever) but things that happened in earlier issues as well as what might happen in later. We've already had a lot of discussions about what might happen in issue #10, and I'm sure as soon as the cover for issue #11 is published we'll go nuts again.

But maybe for issue #10 - and future issues - we can make any agreement to hide any spoiler stuff under the spoiler-tags for the first week.


I think everyone does it different. For me, I run a website for the New Warriors comic (granted not being published at the moment) - but the general rule was 30 days for spoilers. (Basically until the next issue came out). Some people can't make it to the store the first week or two that it comes out (whether lack of funds and what not). So having a "general" thread, where they may want to discuss something in issue #8 (from an ongoing thread within a general one), may on accident see something that happens in issue #9.

So individual threads, I think work the best. As for "what might happen in issue #10" - that's all speculation. So that's normal conversation - but at least it's contained within the thread about the issue that's trigger that speculation.

Although, as a side note, I eventually found a PHPBB add in that allows you to highlight text and put it in Spoiler tags - so you can't see it without clicking it.
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #9
Redhead Ember

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #9    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyMon Jun 08, 2015 3:32 pm
I don't really think it's necessary to hide spoilers anymore. It's been almost two weeks since issue #9 came out, and there'll always be someone who haven't read certain things. Seperated threads for each issue doesn't make sense to me either; after all we don't just discuss the events in issue #9 (or whatever) but things that happened in earlier issues as well as what might happen in later. We've already had a lot of discussions about what might happen in issue #10, and I'm sure as soon as the cover for issue #11 is published we'll go nuts again.

But maybe for issue #10 - and future issues - we can make any agreement to hide any spoiler stuff under the spoiler-tags for the first week.
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: The Final Quest
manga

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: The Final Quest    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySun May 10, 2015 1:30 am
Maybe yes, maybe no. The Skywise on the cover for #10 looks like the one we have known from the beginning. He may not need a healer's aid to retain his shape.
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: The Final Quest
Redhead Ember

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: The Final Quest    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTue May 05, 2015 9:01 am
Miss Gillespie wrote:
Some elves have to die for the drama (hey, it's final quest and it's about leaving TWOM). Skywise is a bit too important to be off'ed "just like that", but that doesn't mean he can't die (for the plot's sake).

There are probably several Go Backs about to die soon (maybe when one half already crossed the river and the other one is attacked by misfit trolls).

Hmm, Angrif really does takes his time, doesn't he? With #10 ten years have passed and between it and #9 less than 30 pages of story happened.


And you don't think Ruffel and Krim are elves?
But, yeah, some Go-Backs are gonna bite it!

As for Angrif taking his time, well he wants a big fleet! Making one is gonna take time...

Issue 9 preview:


By the time of issue 9 he haven't really begun building it yet.
Now of course the question remains how his health will cope! Krim Grin
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: The Final Quest
Miss Gillespie

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: The Final Quest    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTue May 05, 2015 6:47 am
Some elves have to die for the drama (hey, it's final quest and it's about leaving TWOM). Skywise is a bit too important to be off'ed "just like that", but that doesn't mean he can't die (for the plot's sake).

There are probably several Go Backs about to die soon (maybe when one half already crossed the river and the other one is attacked by misfit trolls).

Hmm, Angrif really does takes his time, doesn't he? With #10 ten years have passed and between it and #9 less than 30 pages of story happened.
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: GRIM TALES
manga

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Search in: ElfQuest FanArt and FanFiction   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: GRIM TALES    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyMon Apr 27, 2015 4:12 pm
Well it seems clear that you intend the fleet of ships from the cover for #10 to be these other elves. I'm wondering who the Renegade is; I didn't really read the BoTC novels.
Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: The Final Quest
Lunakat

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: The Final Quest    Topics tagged under 10 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyThu Apr 23, 2015 10:22 pm
I don't know, Merelf- child abduction doesn't seem like something Cutter would do... especially given his history! I would bet that it's likely Cutter raises Jink. That makes me think something might happen to Skywise that makes him unable somehow to raise his own daughter.

Regarding fashion statements:

Someone suggested that Cutter's new costume was a result of him getting dressed up to greet the newcomers. That's cute! It makes me wonder about Skywise's headpiece. He's not wearing it on the cover of #10. Presumably, at some point, someone will stick a star in the center of it. My guess was always that it would somehow break and Treestump would 'tape' it together with the decorative star.

Maybe that is happening at this point?
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