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Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: The Elfquest Show #20
Davrille

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: The Elfquest Show #20    Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyFri Oct 02, 2015 2:11 am
FQ #11 is the topic. The commentary's interesting this time.

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Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #12
Merelf

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #12    Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyWed Sep 30, 2015 11:55 am
Embala wrote:
I still cannot tell for sure whether Cutter still his facefur ... or whether those are shorter lose strands.


When this drawing was first published Wendy said it wasn't the facefur that was missing. But isn't it curious that just one issue before this cover we see Timmain-Cutter without facefur but with those lose strands around her/his face? Strands that Cutter never had before but which could almost be mistaken for his facefur?
In every other drawing Cutters facefur grows in a clear line under his cheekbones but in this one there is no line....
I'm pretty sure it IS the facefur.
So either it's Timmain on the cover or Tam is going to loose his wolfblood and he'll probably won't be amused.

Funny those reincarnation theories... I read them before #11 appeared and laughed about it but now I'm afraid it could very well be true.
I wouldn't be surprised if Wendy DID have this idea from the start. Remember the first scene in OQ#1 in which we see Cutter and Skywise after we saw two highones with undeniable resemblances to our two hero's?
But I'm sure the idea of Cutter and Timmain came later.
I'm not sure what to think about it right now, I'm just glad SOMETHING interesting is happening... well... I hope it turns out to be interesting.
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: A Reader's Guide to ElfQuest
Embala

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Search in: All the Many Colors   Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: A Reader's Guide to ElfQuest    Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTue Sep 29, 2015 10:14 pm
Useful thread: A Breakdown of What's What by Skya



My Try of a Reader's Guide

It's not "the ultimative reader's guide" but good enough for a smooth read. I'll give you some information about the different series so you can decide by yourself.


Original Quest
Siege at Blue Montain
King of te Broken Wheel
Dreamtime - happens shortly after the return of the Palace ... awesome Wendy art
Hidden Years #4, #8, #9,5 and #10-15 - single issues filling gaps and giving background information for the time from the return of the Palace until the main story lines SHARDS and HIDDEN YEARS start. Read before starting with Shards and the rest of HY!

Main storyline - Shards (#1 til #15) and Hidden Years (from #16 til the end) - run parallel and influence each other.
Shards #10 / HY #24 and Shards #12 / HY #25 are directly connected - read the Shards issue before you look in the corresponding HY issue - spoiler warning!

About same time as Shards and Ember's Hidden Years storyline
New Blood #14-35 - Forevergreen Arc ... no direct connections with Shards/HY but it has necessary informations about the Sunvillagers' and Windkin's fate.
Would be no fault to read New Blood #11, #12, #13 before you start the Forevergreen Arc with NB #14.

Shards #16 gathers both the three story lines and the scattered elves.

Here you should read In All But Blood - it starts with Cutter's youth, a story about his early time in the Sunvillage, a story centering on Skywise somewhen after the return of the Palace. The last is the important one: Full Circle closes a time and knowledge gap between the end of SHARDS and the following stories ...

The Searcher and the Sword - following Cutter's tribe after Shards
Discovery - follows directly SatS

... that's what would make most sense for me to read in row from EQ1 until "present time" (= The Final Quest)


NOT on Digital EQ:
The Final Quest Prologue
Final Quest #1-24


more or less parallel with SatS / Discovery
Wild Hunt - following Ember's tribe after the Shards War
Mender's Tale (unfinished) - follows Wild Hunt
Recognition (Summer Special) - continues Wild Hunt
partly retold and more or less retconed by the Final Quest #1-2

The Forevergreen Story arc is more or less continued by
Worldpool - following some chars from the Forevergreen Arc - and
Fire-Eye (unfinished)
both probably "non-canon"



Other series and single issues

Tales from the Elves' wild past
Blood of Ten Chiefs
Two-Spear
Wolfrider! - read it!
By any other name (in the Readers Collection "In all but Blood")
Hidden Years #5, #6, #7, #9
#5 Starfall, Starrise - pre-EQ1 (story about Skywise and his parents' fate)
#6/7 How Shall I keep from Singing - High Ones' arrival and first years
#9 The Enemy's Face - story from Leetah's birth and youth
Homespun (in the Readers Collection "In all but Blood")

Spotlights on the time of the Long Wait (disappearance of the Palace until Big Sleep)
Hidden Years #1, #2, #3
#1 Wolfwood - during Long Wait (centering on Strongbow - I love it)
#2 Going Back - during Long Wait (Kahvi "visits" Sorrow's End again)
#3 Little Patch - during Long Wait (Tyleet's "cub")
The Jury (?)
New Blood #11, #12, #13
Kahvi

Background story of the Wavedancers
Wavedancers Issue #1
Wavedancers
Wavedancers - lost chapters (unfinished)
... it might be less puzzeling to read it after Discovery (some inconsistencies and retconning)

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Somewhen in not too far future
Rogue's Curse - following Rayek's journey after Shards/Final Quest

Far future
Jink
The Rebles
Futurequest (unfinished)

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I have not listed EVERYTHING here!

The rest of New Blood is a mix of Wild Past, Long Wait, various Misc stuff ... many of it considered non-canon

same for Bedtime Stories

Elfquest Volume 2 - containes stories that are mostly listed and reposted in collections (ask if you want to know more ... same for stories I missed to mention)

Kings Cross - a "What-If" / alternative universe story ...

Xanth - something totally different



There is no easy way to read through - you'll have to pick when you want to follow the timeline.

As you will notice some of the stories can be found in several topics. The Elfquest Vol. 2 issues have several ongoing stories in each issue - and then and now a single one. Many of these stories are gathered in collections:

Dreamtime, Wild Hunt, Wavedancers, Rogue's Curse, Wolfrider! to mention just a few.

You can stick with the gatherings to follow my suggestions ... Elfquest Vol. 2 is a read for completation when everything else is done in my opinion.


Don't hesitate to ask in case you need more information - or help to find some issues/collections.


Welcome to the pack Smile Enjoy and have fun! Good read! EQ
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Sifra's Strongbow family fanart
Embala

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Search in: ElfQuest FanArt and FanFiction   Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Sifra's Strongbow family fanart    Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySun Sep 27, 2015 8:48 am
It just occured to me - the missing "build up" of the Mender-Dart relationship that was often complained about in the #11 thread ...
We got it! rofl
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #11
ErinC1978

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #11    Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyFri Sep 25, 2015 11:00 pm
Yeah, Moonshade's story is resonating with me, and I feel it's been reasonably well crafted.

Lunakat wrote:
The posing too is, off and on, pretty stiff. If you look at the art from the original quest, Wendy, rather brilliantly, drew her characters as if they were in motion. Every single time. Even if they were standing still, there was a turn to the head, a motion of a hand, a twist to the body, etc. Now, they often just stand, lined up, in these stiff poses, like people posing for a camera or positioned onstage. It's awkward and create, in the story, a stiff, awkward feeling for me as a reader.'


Yeah, I agree completely -- compare the naturalistic action depicted in the opening scene of the Go-Back orgy and the dance welcoming the Wolfriders to Sorrow's End to the party celebrating Korafay's birth. The first two look like actual moments from an actual party. The third... doesn't.

And one of the frustrating things is the inconsistency. Granted, not every panel of any given comic is going to be equally awesome (though Book 4 of the OQ came pretty damn close to that standard), but the thing is, at least some of the time she can still do it. Some panels are lovely and then others are generic copypasta. Like, I adore page 15 of #11, all of it, but especially the lovely naturalism of the upper left panel. But then, on the very next page, Leetah's expression does NOT work, because it's barely modified from the scene in Final Quest Special when she was so excited to see Windkin. And in the panel below her everybody's standing stiffly on stage again, facing the camera. Sigh.
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #11
Soreyes

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #11    Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyFri Sep 25, 2015 5:22 pm
Ok just finished reading #11.

For the most part. It turned out like I thought it would. Then I get to the end with Cutter and Timmain. WTF!!!! I swear after reading that the first thing that popped into my head was...

" When the moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars. Then Peace will guide the planets, and love will fill the stars. This is the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius."
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #11
Wisp

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: thoughts from a lurker    Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyWed Sep 23, 2015 1:05 pm
I tried to hide this, but here's spoiler space just in case
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[hide]Hi Everyone!  Long time lurker (migrated here with everyone else after the SoC debacle) and...Issue #11 has finally put me over the top.  Reading Final Quest has been like watching a lovely antique car get mowed down by a train in slow-motion.  It's hard to overstate how big an impact the original quest had on my development as a writer and artist.  I wish I could stop reading Final Quest, but I love the characters enough that I want to see what happens to them.  There's just enough beautiful art and familiarity to keep me coming back with each new issue.  

Wendy's facility with the digital medium has improved tremendously since the days of Masque (good lord, that was ugly).  From time to time she can still hit it out of the park.  There is, however, a pervasive inconsistency in how she draws the characters now.   Very often, they don't look like quite themselves.  Example: Sunstream on p. 14--there's just something slightly off about him (it's not a terrible egregious example, there have been worse.)  I also can't stand the "composite" panels, where she's clearly using templates of the characters and just moving their limbs around.  Korafay, Brill, Sunstream, Snakeskin, and Moonshade in the palace are a good example from this issue.  I think they were all recycled images, and they never quite look like they're really occupying the space.

The Moonshade/Strongbow story...the bones of this subplot are actually pretty good, but it's been dragged out so long that a lot of the energy has seeped out of it.  I feel like we've been building to this scene of crisis for too long, but the moment still pays off pretty well.  The panel in which Moonshade approaches Strongbow flanked by Skywise and Leetah reads quite creepy to me.  They look like Stepford Wives ("Join us.....")  I get where Moonshade is coming from--she's outgrown the simplicity of wolfrider life and longs for a larger reality.  She's at an impasse with Strongbow because he's still perfectly satisfied with the way things were.  In real life, they'd probably separate, and I kind of like that the series is exploring that.  But Strongbow's anger and dismay also seems perfectly justified.  Moonshade isn't the elf he loves anymore--the elf who appreciated the beauty of the forest, who loved her wolf-friends, who relished the hunt and howl.  That elf is totally, irrevocably gone (right down to the genetic level!), and while that was her choice, that doesn't mean that he has anything in common with the new Moonshade.  She might as well be dead.  Cutter gets it immediately, and I love that he directs a pointed comment at Skywise and Leetah, the two people who have been waiting for him change his own mind.  But I think he drew the wrong conclusion.  The problem isn't that, by waiting for Cutter to become immortal, Skywise and Leetah are "giving up everything that's good for them."  It's that they want and expect everyone to come around to their point of view. They have not made their peace with the fact that a variety of choices can be equally valid.  And with this issue, Skywise has become even more superior and sanctimonious than ever.  

I despise Timmain.  Despise.  I think she's the manifestation of everything that's problematic in Final Quest.  She's just a fount of omnipotent mumbojumbo.  I don't want her and Cutter to be two bodies with one soul.  That would just tie the most complex, well-developed character in the whole series to the most abstract, infuriating character.  

My hope: that Timmain proves to be a liar and a villain.  She certainly reads as profoundly sinister, at least to me.  So high-handed, so imperious.  Maybe her tryst with Skywise was supposed to seem "magical" and "romantic," but to me, it looked like she bopped his brains out--literally!  All of a sudden, he's spouting off about racial purity and how "the healers have to make everyone immortal..." Wow.  Disturbing.  And it seems like she actually brings it out of him.  He's laying there all sated on page 12 (lovely top panels, by the way), and all of a sudden she looms over him.  Then he starts talking about how none of the elves should have a choice about whether to stay or go, and her only response is a cryptic smile.  *shudder*  And afterwards, when he talks to Leetah, he looks sort of drugged.  Skywise (paraphrase): "I just feel so alive, man!"

So when Timmain drops her bomb on Cutter...yeah, I just hope she's full of wolf dung.  My fear, however, is that Timmain is not intended to be evil.  In fact, I've had some strong suspicions about Wendy's intentions throughout Final Quest, and I figure it's time to throw them out there.  

I don't believe Wendy and Richard had any of this planned during the Original Quest.  I don't think the Timmain we met after the palace war was this version of the character.  Sure, they can hand-wave the inconsistencies by having Timmain explain that she "didn't fully remember herself" after being a wolf for so long.  Whatever. I mostly get the feeling that Wendy's absorbed some "New Age" ideas over the years, and decided to take Final Quest in a metaphysical direction because those are concepts she's interested in exploring in the text.  Fair enough.  I've had some exposure to those types of ideas (which is why I'm pretty sure I can recognize them), and I can say that, ostensibly, they seem like they could be explored in a fantasy context very effectively.  It's a bad idea, however.  High-concept conceits (like those that are cluttering up Final Quest) are basically inert plotwise.  They're easy to "tell," hard to "show."  As a reader, there's only so much satisfaction I can get out of a discussion of imaginary metaphysics.  I can only attach to characters, and these characters (whom I've loved for over 20 years,) are just...boring.  Drained of excitement.  Cutter has literally done nothing for 11 issues.  Other than Strongbow and Moonshade (whose plot thread, as I said, has been extremely slack,) how many of our beloved wolfriders have done anything of note in FQ?  Instead, we're following a ton of secondary characters without the nuance or development of the classic characters.  I just can't be bothered to care what happens to Snakeskin or Korafay or Windkin.  I don't really know them (I mindwiped Forevergreen....)

Assorted other observations:

--Windkin's new...membrane is absurd.  It looks so flimsy and wibbly, I don't believe it would improve his flying speed at all (isn't that why Glider-Tyldak asked Winnowill to give him wings in the first place?)  He was way better off with his engineered wings. At least those looked aerodynamic.

--I don't mind the Dart/Mender relationship.  Both characters have been deployed to more compelling effect elsewhere, but they aren't too bad in Final Quest.  But I'm not sure I get what they really see in each other?  Dart has been suspicious of Mender's bloodlust (which makes sense given his traumatic backstory.)  Is Mender attracted to Dart simply because he's an attractive cipher?  Or because he wants a lifemate?  I'll keep an open-mind and hope that more interesting things unfold in their storyline.

--I seriously have no idea what the point was of "making everyone come to the palace."  How cruel and useless did that turn out to be?  We ended up with a mute (albeit a relatively cool-looking one), and two poor b@$#ards in wrapstuff. That's it after years of waiting?  The rest of the elves must realize what a boring plot-killer the palace is, and decided to keep away!

--I swear that in the preview for #11, there was a panel in which Moonshade offers the naked Timmain a cloak or blanket.  Moonshade is wearing her leathers.  I noticed that a page later, Moonshade was back in the palace in her flowing dress.  It irritated me when I saw it, because it seemed like a sloppy continuity error.  In the actual issue, there's no scene of Moonshade giving Timmain a blanket.  I wonder if someone noticed the inconsistency and made a tweak?  Or was I just hallucinating??

--Seeing Aurek in Orolin's old seat made me really sad.  That character has spent his entire life either entranced or alone.  It's just...horrible to contemplate.  And I get that "the elves are different, they aren't human."  But do you really think, say, Nightfall would look at his fate and think it's a good thing?  I don't.

Anyway, sorry for such a crazy first post.  I just needed to get this stuff off my chest.  I'm not sure I was even able to articulate everything that rubs me the wrong way about Final Quest, but at least it's a start.
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: REFERENCE : MAGIC IN ELFQUEST
PCoquelin

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: REFERENCE : MAGIC IN ELFQUEST    Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTue Sep 08, 2015 10:41 am
Here, for reference, I shall gather and present the exact and distinct scenes of magic-use, up to 'The Discovery'.
I will show only the scenes drawn by Wendy, because her work should have precedence..
..and because they are necessarily 'canon'.


Original Quest - #1 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P01_Gliding_HighOne : Gliding (High One)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P02_Sending_WolfSend : Sending (Wolf Send)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P03_Sending_GroupSend : Sending (Group Send : call)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P04_Sending_GroupVisionSharing : Sending (Group Send : Sharing a vision

Original Quest - #2 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P05_Sending_IndividualCall : Sending (Individual call)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P06_Recognition : Recognition
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P07_HypnoticTranceonelf : Hypnotic trance (on elf)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P08_EmotionFeeling : Emotion feeling
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P09_Healing : Healing
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P10_LightControl : Light control

Original Quest - #3 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P11_ShapeChanging_OnObject_PossibleMindManipulation : Very probable shape-changing magic highly charged on object (the 'Great Sun' item behind Savah shows changing patterns) - possible mind manipulation
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P12_Levitation_OnObject : Levitation (on object)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P13_HypnoticTrance_OnAnimal : Hypnotic trance (on animal)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P14_Levitation_OnAnimal : Levitation (on animal)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P15_PossibleTruthTelling : Possible Truth-telling
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P16_Sending_MindProbe : Mind Probe
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_SelfLevitationThoughtLost : Information : self-levitation was thought to be a lost power, among the Sun Folk

Original Quest - #4 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P17_Sending_DarkSend : Sending (Dark Send)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P18_PossibleEmotionControl_OrEvenMore : Possible emotion control (or more)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_PoolOfStagnantMagic : Information : Magic can stagnate and turn into a monstruosity
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P19_MagicBornMonster_CombinationOfPowers : Magic monster (COMBINING powers)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P20_Sending_SpecialCall : Sending (Special, intense, intimate call)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P21_Sending_SpecialCall_ByMonster : Sending (Special call, by monster)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P22_ProbableWatchingOver : Probable Watching over (by a dead elf, over a living one)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P23_ResistanceToDarkSend : Resistance to Dark Send

Original Quest - #5 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P24_PlantGrowth : Plant Growth
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P24_SoulName : Soul Name
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P25_TelescopicVision : Telescopic Vision
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P26_MindControl_OnAnimal : Mind Control (on animal, pretended
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P26_MindControl_OnAnimal_Confirmed : Mind Control (on animal, confirmed)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P27_28_MindSearch_VisualProjection : Mind Search + Visual Projection + Voice Projection (probable - or a special form of Sending)

Original Quest - #6 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P29_GoingOut : 'Going Out'
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P30_31_PlantControl_MagicFeeling : Plant Control + Magic Feeling
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P32_Sending_LockSend_Challenge : Sending (Lock-Send - Challenge

Original Quest - #7 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P33_TreeShaping : Tree Shaping
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P34_Sending_FromElfToWolf : Sending (from elf to wolf)

Original Quest - #8 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P35_MagicFeeling_Faint : Magic Feeling (faint - familiar setting)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P35_MagicFeeling_Faint2 : Magic Feeling (confirmed - non familiar setting)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P36_MentalLink : Mental Link
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P37_MentaGuiding : Mental Guiding

Original Quest - #9 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P38_MagicFeeling_Confirmed : Magic Feeling (confirmed)

Original Quest - #10 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P39_PreserversCocoons : Magic of the preservers' cocoons
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P40_Sending_SpecialIntimateCall_Confirmed : Sending (Special, intimate, intense call - confirmed)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P41_Sending_CallingBackImages : Sending (Calling back images)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P42_PossiblePremonition : Possible premonition
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P43_LockedWarning : Locked warning
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P44_MagicallyCreatedSpecies : Preservers: a magically created species
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P45_Sending_DarkSendTorture : Sending (Dark Send - Torture)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P46_TreeShaping_LivingWoodIntoObject : Tree Shaping (living wood into an object)

Original Quest - #11 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P47_Sending_DarkSend_Stun : Sending (Dark Send - Stun)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P48_RockShaping_Dedicated_Door1 : Rock Shaping (dedicated - Door effect)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P49_Sending_DarkSend_PiercingBack : Sending (Dark Send - Piercing back)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P50_Sending_GroupCallToOne : Sending (Group call to one)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P51_AntiHealing : Anti-Healing
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P52_Sending_MultiTargetDarkSend_LeetahsRemark : Sending (Dark Send - multi-targetted) + Leetah's remark on anti-healing
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P53_Gliding_Gliders : Gliding (Blue Mountain's Gliders)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P54_Sending_DarkSendKill : Sending (Dark Send - Kill)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P55_Healing_ImprovisedShield : Healing (as an improvised Shield)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P56_ProbablePryingOnSendings : Probable Prying on Sendings

Original Quest - #12 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_LockedWarningIsVisual : Information : Locked Warning is mainly made of visual elements and feelings
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_Shaping_Healing_Same : Information : Shaping and Healing are basically the same type of magic
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P58_LethargicSemiDeadState_RockShaping_Dedicated : Semi-dead state Lethargy - used to enforce dedication of magic (here: VERY dedicated and limited Rock Shaping task)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P59_FleshShaping : Flesh Shaping
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P60_Sending_LockSend2 : Sending (Lock Send)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P61_Sending_IntenseForcingSend : Sending (Intense, focussed, forcing)

Original Quest - #13 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_GoingOutComesWithDeadlyRisks : Information : Going Out comes with deadly risks
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P62_EmotionFeelingOrMore : Emotion Feeling or more
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P63_Sending_DeepSending : Sending (Deep Sending)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P64_SoulNameAbuse : Soul Name abuse
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P65_ProbableHARDMetalShaping : Probable HARD metal Shaping
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_AncientTypesOfMagic : Information : Ancient types of magic
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P66_CombinedMagic_RockShaping_Levitation_Complex_Dedicated_MemoryEffect : Combined magic : Rock Shaping + Levitation (complex, dedicated, + History effect)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P67_SymbolicAndMemoryEffect : Information : Symbolic and memory effect, for the Egg
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P68_Semi-deadMagicalLethargyHelpedWithPotion : Information : Magical semi-dead Lethargy helped by a potion
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_HealingTellsMuchAboutGenetics : Information : Healing tells much about genetics
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P69_ResistanceToDarkSend : Resistance to Dark Send (killing version)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P70_CompleteSelfShaping_Plant_HighOne : Complete Self-Shaping (Plant - High One)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P71_CompleteSelfShaping_Animal_HighOne_INTER-BREEDING : Complete Self-Shaping (animal - High One) + Magically induced INTER-BREEDING
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P72_ProbableMindManipulation : Information : Probable Mind Manipulation

Original Quest - #14 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_RecognitionRevealsTheSoul : Information : Recognition reveals the soul
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P73_MindControl_Oblivion : Sending (Dark Send) - Mind Control (Oblivion)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P74_GoingOut_SpiritCapture : Going Out (Spirit Capture)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P75_SendingAndGoingOut_SpecialMindProbe : Sending and Going Out (Spirit Seeking)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P76_FleshShaping_OnAnimal : Flesh Shaping (on animal)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P77_TreeShaping_StrangleweedVinesIntoLivingTrap : Tree Shaping (turning strangleweed vines into a living trap)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P78_PlantControl : Plant Control
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P79_GoingOut_MindTouch : Going Out (Mind Touch)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P80_MentalHealing : Healing (Mental Healing)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P81_ProbableNearDeathAutoHealing : Probable Near-Death Auto Healing

Original Quest - #15 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P82_Sending_OpenSending_Vision : Open Sending (Sharing a vision)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P83_MagicAura_MagicVisualDetection : Magic Aura (Visual Detection of magic)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P84_SoulNameExchange : Exchange of Soul names

Original Quest - #16 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P85_WatchingOver_Confirmed : Watching Over (confirmed)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P86_MagicFeeling : Magic Feeling
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P87_HypnoticTrance_OnTroll : Hypnotic Trance (on troll)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P88_Gliding_RoughVersion : Gliding (rough version)

Original Quest - #17 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P89_Gliding_AtDistance_SomeoneElse : Gliding (floating someone else at distance)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P90_CallOfThePalace_Confirmed : Call of the Palace (confirmed)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P91_PossiblePremonition : Possible Premonition
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P92_SoulNameOffering : Soul Name offering
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P93_PreserverPremonition : Possible Premonition (preserver)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P94_Gliding_HeavyCharge : Gliding (heavy charge)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P95_ProbableHardMetalShaping : Possible Hard Metal Shaping ('fusing metal to stone')

Original Quest - #18 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P96_RockShaping_CombinedToShapePalacesStone : Rock Shaping (combined to shape the Palace's stone)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P97_StoneFeeling : Stone Feeling

Original Quest - #19 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P98_Sending_Link : Sending (Link)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P99_Gliding_ExtremeWeightLifting : Gliding (lifting extreme weight)

Original Quest - #20 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P100_ForcedRecognition : Forced Recognition
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P101_SpiritFeeling_HighOne : Spirit Feeling (High One)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_DeadSpirits : Information : Dead elf spirits choose or not where they go
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_Recognition_ThoseBornFromItAttractInterestedSpirits : Information : those born out of Recognition attract interested spirits
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P102_ExtremeLongevity_Preservers : Extreme Longevity (preservers)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P103_104_105_MindLinking_VisualEffects_CocoonsThinkDo : Mind Linking + Visual Effects + Preserver cocoon's Think-Do + support by the 'Scroll' item, heavily charged with magic
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_SourceAndNatureOfMagic : Information : Source and nature of magic
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P106_GoingOut_HighOnes : Going Out (High Ones)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_OriginOf_Palace_Trolls_Preservers : Information : Origin of the Palace, of trolls and of preservers
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P107_PreserversCocoons_ThinkDo : Preserver cocoon's Think-Do effect + 'out of time' effect
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P108_MentalLink_FromAfar : Mental Link (from afar)


Siege at Blue Mountain - #1 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P109_WinnowillCaseSeenAsEternalDanger : Possible Resistance to the Palace's call of dead spirits
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P110_PowerAbsorption_EggAsSupport : Power absorption (with the Egg as a support)

Siege at Blue Mountain - #2 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P111_SendingDetection_LongRange : Sending Detection (long range)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P112_SubmissionByUseOfSoulName : Mental Submission (by use of the Soul Name)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P113_MindProbeByMindTouch : Mind Probe (by the use of Mind Touch)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P114_GlidingWhileAsleep : Gliding (while asleep!)

Siege at Blue Mountain - #3 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P115_DarkSendWhileGoingOut : Dark Send while Going Out!

Siege at Blue Mountain - #4 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P116_MentalHealing_CalmingDown : Mental Healing (calming down)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_MagicAsleepInHumans : Information : magic is asleep in humans
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P117_GeneticChange : Genetic Change

Siege at Blue Mountain - #5 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P118_ConcentratingMagicIntoItem : Concentrating magic into an item
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P119_MagicFeeling_InHumans : Magic Feeling (in humans!)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P120_Gliding_ProbablyEvenInCocoons : Gliding (very probably even inside cocoons!)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P121_GeneticChange_Confirmed_WithLimits : Genetic Change (confirmed - with limits)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P122_RockShapingAndFloating_HugeMagicFocussing : Power Concentration (huge rock-shaping + floating)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P123_Sending_GatheredPowerToDemonstrateDarkSend : Gathering Power (Sending - demonstrating Dark Send)

Siege at Blue Mountain - #6 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P124_Sending_Limitation_Cocoons : Sending (gliders - strange limitation - preservers' cocoons)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P125_SendingAnalysis_Emotions : Sending Analysis (emotions)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_ControlLinkedWithNeed : Possible information on magic - Control may be linked with need
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P126_SameSoulForTwoBodies_TrickOrReality : Same Soul for two bodies (possible reality / probable Mind Control trick)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P127_TreeShaping_AntiFireEffect : Tree Shaping - Anti-fire effect (+ effect of love on magic)

Siege at Blue Mountain - #7 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P128_MindControlTrick_MoreProbable : Mind Control trick (more probable)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P129_EggAsAMemoryHolder_Confirmed : Egg as a memory holder (like the Scroll of colors - confirmed)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P130_EffectOfWillOnGroupMagic_Focus : Effect of will on group magic (focus)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P131_MentalHealing_EmotionsAndNeed : Mental Healing (emotions and need)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P132_WhatGroupMagicCanAccomplish : What group magic can accomplish
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P133_EggMeantToAbsorbThePalaceAndSpirits_POWER_HUNGER : Egg meant to ABSORB the Palace, the elf spirits inside it, and their power
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P134_SpaceAndTimeTravel_GroupMagic : Space and time travel (group magic)

Siege at Blue Mountain - #8 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P135_MindControlTrick_Confirmed : Mind Control trick (confirmed)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P136_GroupMagicVersusOne : Group magic versus one (+ interesting remark: 'they KNOW her')
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P137_TruthInSending : Truth in Sending (Wolfrider savagery)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P138_MentalHealing_WakingPowersUp : Mental Healing (waking powers up)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P139_Healing_BOTHElfAndHumanAtTheSameTime : Healing (BOTH human and elf, at the same time!)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P140_InterestingAfterEffect : Information : interesting after-effect
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P141_SpiritHosting : Spirit Hosting
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P142_TheOnlyDifferenceIsLove_ProbableKeyForMagic : The only difference is love (probable key for magic)


Kings of the Broken Wheel - #1 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P143_StrangeGeneticEffects : Magic causes strange genetic effects
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P144_MentalHealing_MagicFeeling_ByPreservers : Magic Feeling (by preservers)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P145_FireMagic_HeatingWave_GroupMagic : Fire Magic (Heat Wave - Group magic - by GLIDERS!)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P146_Floating_StoppingHugeBolt_ExtremeStrength_GroupMagic : Floating (used for stopping the huge bolt) + EXTREME STRENGTH (manipulating that heavy bolt) (Group magic)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P147_FireMagic_Bolts_GroupMagic : Fire magic (Bolts - group magic - gliders or linked to Rayek)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P148_Shield_GroupMagic : Shield (group magic)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P149_MentalLinkPlusSpecificEventTriggersMore : Mental Link + specific event near the Palace = triggering of a special effect

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #2 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P150_FireMagicMorePowerfulInTimmain : Information : Timmain has more powerful fire magic than group
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P151_FireMagic_HUGEEnergyBolts_GroupMagic : Fire Magic (HUGE energy bolts - causing a huge chasm - group magic
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P152_FreeingSpiritsToThePalaceRestoredIt_GroupMagic : Freeing the dead gliders' spirits restores the Palace

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #3 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P153_ShapeChanging_InsidePreserverCocoon_TearingItApart : Shape Changing (High One - inside a preserver cocoon - confirmed as incredible feat)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P154_Sending_FromFarAwayAndIntense : Sending (from far away and intensely so)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P155_Flying_PalacePower : Flying (Palace power)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P156_ReintegratingEvenAnUnwillingHighOne_PalacePower : Reintegrating even an unwilling High One (Palace power)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P157_ExtremeVelocityTravel_PalacePower : Extreme Velocity Travel (Palace power)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P158_EmotionTransfer_SpiritMagic : Emotion Transfer (Spirits power)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P159_EmotionTransferConfirmed_SpiritMagic_KureelBarelyRemembered : Emotion Transfer (confirmed + Interesting remark: dead elves barely remember, even recent and extreme events, like murder!

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #4 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P160_WakingUpPowers_PalaceMagic : Waking powers up (Palace power)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P161_MagicVision_PalaceMagic : Magic Vision (Palace power)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P162_MindControl_ForcedSleep : Mind Control (forced sleep)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P163_Healing_AnotherUseOfMagic_sigh : Healing (another use of magic.. *sigh*)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P164_RockShaping_PalaceNotSoDifficultNow : Rock Shaping (..the Palace - not so difficult, now!)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P165_SendingTheCryOut_InsideThePalace : Sending the Cry out (inside the Palace)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P166_RockShaping_Palace_SeparatingAPieceOfThePalace : Rock Shaping (..the Palace - SEPARATING a piece of it!)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P167_DisguisingThePalace : Disguising the Palace (interesting 'A PART of the new land' call..)

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #5 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P168_MindTransfer : Mind Transfer
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P169_MentalHealing_ShuttingMentalDoor : Mental Healing (Shutting mental door)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P170_Shield_PalaceInducedPower : Shield (Palace-induced power)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P171_PalaceInducedEffects : Palace-induced effects
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P172_WaterControl_OneSoulSharedHypothesisConfirmed : Water Control (Winnowill - so soon after her exile on that island!)

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #6 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P173_MagicFeeling_Extreme_HearingCryBeyondTime : Magic Feeling (Extreme: Hearing a mental cry from beyond time!)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P174_LightControl_VisualEffects_Scroll : Light Control (visual effects - Scroll magic)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P175_LinkWithLittlePalace : Link with the little Palace
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P176_MindLinkingFromAfar_WaterBreathing_SoSoonAfterHerExile : Mind Link (from afar) + Water Breathing (so soon after her exile on that island!)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P177_TimeJump_PalacePower : Time Jump (Palace power)

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #7 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P178_MentalCall_Extreme : Mental Call (Extreme)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P179_MentalShield : Mental Shield
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P180_LockSending_FacilitatingBirth : Lock Sending (facilitating birth - without a healer)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P181_MentalShield_ConfirmedAndDevelopped : Mental Shield (confirmed and developped)

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #8 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P182_RockShaping_DeterminingAMountainsAging : Rock Shaping (Determining a mountain's aging)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P183_AntiHealing_DrivenByHatred : Anti-Healing (driven by hatred)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P184_Healing_LeprosisLikeTerminalDiseaseInHuman : Healing (a human - leprosis-like terminal disease)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P185_AntiHealing_Controlled : Anti-healing (controlled)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P186_GeneticChange_RemovingTheWolfBlood : Genetic Change (removing the wolf blood from a wolfrider)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P187_EscapingMindLinkAndSendings : Escaping Mind Link and Sending

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #9 :
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P188_WaterSurge : Water Surge
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P189_WaterSwirl : Water Swirl
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P190_WaterRam : Water Ram
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P191_MentalShield_EvolvedIntoMentalBarriersAndMentalSubmission : Mental Shield (Evolved into Mental Barriers and Mental Submission)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P192_Healing_AtDistance_PowerOfLove : Healing (at distance - power of love + Palace)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P193_TimeJump_BackInTime_PalacePower : Time Jump (back in time - Palace power)

Hidden Years #1:
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P194_Premonition_NotEvenWatching : Premonition (not even watching the target!)

Hidden Years #2:
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P195_FireMagic_CreatingFlames : Fire magic (Creating flames)

Hidden Years #4:
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P196_RockShaping_Bridge_PalacePower : Rock Shaping (Bridge - Palace power)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P197_DetectingHumans_PalacePower : Detecting humans around (Palace power)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P198_WinnowillEntrapped_HypnoticTranceAndPalacePower : Winnowill in hypnotic trance and entrapped within the Palace's walls
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P200_FragmentsOfThePalace_Lost : Fragments of the Palace (lost..)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P199_Healing_CombinedPowersAndPalace : Healing (at distance - many at once - combined powers + Palace effect)

Hidden Years #5:
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P201_Recognition_MentalLink : Recognition (Mental Link effect)

Hidden Years #9½:
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P202_WinnowilShakenOutOfHerTranceByCuttersDeepHatredSending : Winnowill shaken out of her trance by Cutter's hating send
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P203_SendingAsTheVeryAdequatePunishment : Sending.. as the most adequate punishment ever!


Shards #16:
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P204_SoulEntrapment : Soul Entrapment
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P205_WatchingOver_VisuallyConfirmed : Watching Over (visually confirmed)


The Searcher and the Sword:
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P206_HumanSending : Sending (Complete Imagery, BY HUMAN)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P207_PreserverCocoon_ToLearnFromThePalace : Preserver cocoon magic (to LEARN from the Palace)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P208_DeadElfSpiritCalling : Deal elf spirit Calling (confirmed)


The Discovery:
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P209_MagicChanneling_confirmed : Magic Channelling (confirmed) + Learning in preserver cocoon (confirmed)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P210_MagicShaping_PalacePower : Magic Shaping (Palace power)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P211_GoingOutWhileCocoonedAndProjectingAMentalImage : Going Out while cocooned and projecting a mental image from afar!
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P212_NoHidingEmotions : Information: no hiding emotions while in this..
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P213_AstralFlight_CalledByLove : Astral Flight (called by love)
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P214_WaterSurge : Water Surge
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P215_HugeSpiralingWaterSurge : HUGE spiraling Water Surge!
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 P216_WaterRope : Water Rope
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_UsButNotUs_AGAIN : 'Us but not us..' - reminds of Cutter's remarks.. WHAT KIND OF ELF IS WINNOWILL, ACTUALLY!?..
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 INFO_InThousandsOfYears : 'In THOUSANDS of years' !!
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #12
Miss Gillespie

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #12    Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySat Aug 15, 2015 10:15 pm
#6 blurp: "...The human warlord Angrif Djun, more furious than ever, prepares a massive assault upon every elf living on the World of Two Moons..."
#7 blurp: "...a dire threat surfaces..."
#9 blurp: "...But Cutter’s greatest concern is Angrif Djun’s massive war fleet, which seeks to crush all elves and their allies..."
#10 no mention in the blurp, but we get to see a dying Angrif and his fleet on the cover
#11 blurp: "...Angrif Djun’s war fleet invades the Wavedancers’ waters..."
#12 blurp: "... just as the Wavedancers deliver dire news: the Djun’s warships have arrived..."

oh and this:

#11: "...as a shattering moment of truth occurs between Cutter and Timmain..." so maybe we learn this shattering truth in this issue (or in #17, who knows).

Even though it's a nice gesture, that Angrif's troops are still honour his final wish and attack the elves nevertheless, humans don't react this way. Normally they would turn and figure out, who's going to be the next king (as the Mongols and the Huns did). Just name one historic example, where an army continued an attack even though they knew their leader was dead.
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Dreams... schemes
TrollHammer

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Search in: Off Topics   Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Dreams... schemes    Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTue Aug 04, 2015 3:28 pm
Had a dream last night that I had just finished reading #11, set back, put it down, and was immediately posting how much better it was than #10.... just hit me it was a dream....
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #10
Tymber

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #10    Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySat Aug 01, 2015 12:13 am
Wiseshaman wrote:
Tymber wrote:
Redhead Ember wrote:
KR Wordgazer wrote:
Hmm.  Somehow I missed that.  That means Dre-ann or whatever his name is, could have come at any point and have been in the Palace for some time by the time Skywise introduces him.

True. I suppose he just went into the Palace and hid somewhere... it's pretty big...

Or it's poor, inconsistent writing.

Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 Burn10
((Wendy I mean...))


That's a hilarious image!

Lunakat wrote:

We know some significant amount of time has passed-- because Tinga grew up and Shukopeck had a bunch of kids. Skywise has been shuttling people to and from the palace (note- Moonshade)-- so he's clearly been in the loop as to the goings on there. That's how he knew about Silent Guy. Silent Guy showed at sometime during this indeterminate time period. He's clearly shy and lacking in social skills. Skywise had to pull him out to introduce him because he wasn't the sort to think of stepping outside and saying "hi" on his own.

It's not that complicated. It's not the most riveting turn of events-- but it's not nonsensical either. It's a basic transitional issue. Stuff happened-- stuff is about to happen. This is just the point where the story turns a corner.


I guess that's (a large part) of my complaint. Readers are being forced to assume a lot of things. To me, it felt like Moonshade popped out of nowhere. Then the strong silent guy pops out of nowhere.

To me, it feels like I am missing pages out of a comic book. Like I am reading issue #10, and when I turned to from page 8 to page 9, I feel like there's about 2 pages of comics that's just missing. Because things are just being "shoved" in our face to say, "Oh, I didn't show you all this cool stuff of Skywise in the pod - but he picked up Elf A, B, C and D - and they're in the Palace."

We don't even see them disembarking the pod or anything. Absolutely NO indication how they got there. They're just suddenly there.

It feels very, very lazy.

(I would say rushed, but there's some elements of this Final Quest that I feel like have dragged on way too long)

There's an over all lack of feeling like anything's building up to something. It just feels like someone is writing all these elves, and they're all just there...

All of that said, I feel like I am repeating myself. And that's probably not good. I think I've made it clear how I feel and I just need to shut the frick up and wait for issue #11 and so on and comment on them as they come out!

That said, I am also very glad that you're getting something out of these issues, Luna. And sorry for ranting and rambling so much! I swear this will be my final word on this issue (unless asked specifically about something!) Smile

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Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #10
Tymber

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #10    Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyWed Jul 29, 2015 8:47 pm
TrollHammer wrote:

If, indeed, FQ is only 24 issues, well that puts a whole different slant on the pacing for me.
I had thought that the story arc for FQ would be quite a bit bigger than what would fit into 24 issues.
I had wondered about it before,but until I read Manga's post about a 24 issue limit (quoted in another post), I didnt want to assume the worst.  It tells me that MAYBE they dont have the page-space to dwell on some of the relatively "minor" stuff (stuff that used to make the OQ so interesting and fun to read) to get the meat and potatoes finished by the end, if you will.


The Original Quest ran 20 issues. Just 4 less than Final Quest.
The Original Quest was their first real dive into comics (not sure if Wendy had done writing elsewhere).
And the pacing of the Original Quest is infinitely better.

The Original Quest was broke into "arcs."
The arcs were (I feel) -
1. Issues #1 through #5 (Lose home to life at the Sun Village)
2. Issues #6 through #10 (life fast forwarded w/cubs to Forbidden Grove)
3. Issues #11 through #15 (The entire Blue Mountain Saga)
4. Issues #16 through #20 (the fight against the frozen trolls for the Palace)

The Final Quest?
So far it feels like:

Arc 1: All the elves take their sweet time getting to the Palace, while over here Ember and Tier are going on and on about Recognition, and then she gets captured, and then the humans prepare for war, and let's go back to the Palace, oh by the way - all these elves arrive. And hey, new reader - look, Timmain and Skywise are Recognized! What do you mean you have no idea what that means? Or the impact?

I think you make a very good point (I forgot to quote it), that Final Quest makes NO attempt - ZERO! - to even ease any NEW readers to the series. So if someone decided to pick up ElfQuest: Final Quest, for the first time, never having heard about ElfQuest but thought the art looked great - would have NO idea from it's very first issue to understand WHAT was going on.
Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyTopic: Final Quest #11
Redhead Ember

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptySubject: Final Quest #11    Topics tagged under 11 on Father Tree Holt - Page 3 EmptyMon Jun 15, 2015 10:14 am
No. I'm thinking 40ish years between Discovery and issue 1-9.

First of all the three years between Discovery and the birth of Korafay.
Then 20ish year timeskip in the Special (from the births of Shukopek and Korafay to the deaths of Ikopek and Ruffel).
Then the timeskip between the end f the Special and the beginning of issue 1. At first I thought it was less than a year - with Moonshade basically going into the Palace and not coming out until Strongbow begged her to in the beginning of issue 3. Then I thought that maybe a few years had passed. Then Shukopek turns up again and he looks old!
Finally we have the 10-year timeskip between issue 9 and issue 10. According to Wendy there'll be no more timeskips after this.

BTW: You might wanna more your quote outside of my quote. Like this:

TrollHammer wrote:
Redhead Ember wrote:
Tymber wrote:
Redhead Ember wrote:
Aaah! But it's been probably around 40 years since the Wavedancers were "scared ittle tuna fish", they've got plenty of time to grow tough. :krill:


Since Discovery or whatever? Because still hated them there...


Yeah, since Discovery. Seems like at least some of the scared little tuna fish mentality back then stemmed from how they were being led by Surge.


Didn't know tuna fish were especially scarredy by the way.


I thought it was meant 40 years between #9 and #11, as it looks like the Djun is aged and on his death bed on the cover.
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Redhead Ember wrote:
Tymber wrote:
Redhead Ember wrote:
Aaah! But it's been probably around 40 years since the Wavedancers were "scared ittle tuna fish", they've got plenty of time to grow tough. :krill:


Since Discovery or whatever? Because still hated them there...


Yeah, since Discovery. Seems like at least some of the scared little tuna fish mentality back then stemmed from how they were being led by Surge.

I thought it was meant 40 years between #9 and #11, as it looks like the Djun is aged and on his death bed on the cover.



Didn't know tuna fish were especially scarredy by the way.
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Tymber wrote:
Redhead Ember wrote:
I don't really think it's necessary to hide spoilers anymore. It's been almost two weeks since issue #9 came out, and there'll always be someone who haven't read certain things. Seperated threads for each issue doesn't make sense to me either; after all we don't just discuss the events in issue #9 (or whatever) but things that happened in earlier issues as well as what might happen in later. We've already had a lot of discussions about what might happen in issue #10, and I'm sure as soon as the cover for issue #11 is published we'll go nuts again.

But maybe for issue #10 - and future issues - we can make any agreement to hide any spoiler stuff under the spoiler-tags for the first week.


I think everyone does it different. For me, I run a website for the New Warriors comic (granted not being published at the moment) - but the general rule was 30 days for spoilers. (Basically until the next issue came out). Some people can't make it to the store the first week or two that it comes out (whether lack of funds and what not). So having a "general" thread, where they may want to discuss something in issue #8 (from an ongoing thread within a general one), may on accident see something that happens in issue #9.

So individual threads, I think work the best. As for "what might happen in issue #10" - that's all speculation. So that's normal conversation - but at least it's contained within the thread about the issue that's trigger that speculation.

Although, as a side note, I eventually found a PHPBB add in that allows you to highlight text and put it in Spoiler tags - so you can't see it without clicking it.


It wasn't so much potential spoilers for future issues I was referring to, as the fact that we'll just never be able to talk about just the specific issue a thread is dedicated to.
As for spoiler-tags; we got those already!

SPOILER!!!!!:



G0lden wrote:
I'm glad Wing and Aroree settling things between the two. Teir and Ember seem to be on the same page for now.


You mean Windkin. Wing is dead.
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Redhead Ember wrote:
I don't really think it's necessary to hide spoilers anymore. It's been almost two weeks since issue #9 came out, and there'll always be someone who haven't read certain things. Seperated threads for each issue doesn't make sense to me either; after all we don't just discuss the events in issue #9 (or whatever) but things that happened in earlier issues as well as what might happen in later. We've already had a lot of discussions about what might happen in issue #10, and I'm sure as soon as the cover for issue #11 is published we'll go nuts again.

But maybe for issue #10 - and future issues - we can make any agreement to hide any spoiler stuff under the spoiler-tags for the first week.


I think everyone does it different. For me, I run a website for the New Warriors comic (granted not being published at the moment) - but the general rule was 30 days for spoilers. (Basically until the next issue came out). Some people can't make it to the store the first week or two that it comes out (whether lack of funds and what not). So having a "general" thread, where they may want to discuss something in issue #8 (from an ongoing thread within a general one), may on accident see something that happens in issue #9.

So individual threads, I think work the best. As for "what might happen in issue #10" - that's all speculation. So that's normal conversation - but at least it's contained within the thread about the issue that's trigger that speculation.

Although, as a side note, I eventually found a PHPBB add in that allows you to highlight text and put it in Spoiler tags - so you can't see it without clicking it.
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I don't really think it's necessary to hide spoilers anymore. It's been almost two weeks since issue #9 came out, and there'll always be someone who haven't read certain things. Seperated threads for each issue doesn't make sense to me either; after all we don't just discuss the events in issue #9 (or whatever) but things that happened in earlier issues as well as what might happen in later. We've already had a lot of discussions about what might happen in issue #10, and I'm sure as soon as the cover for issue #11 is published we'll go nuts again.

But maybe for issue #10 - and future issues - we can make any agreement to hide any spoiler stuff under the spoiler-tags for the first week.
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