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Here she is... in spoiler again because the size would stretch the screen.

Spoiler:

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I made this since I was forgetting which flower I already made.

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That is a great idea to make some flower fairies. There are some other flower fairies, I liked to collect.
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But I am no flower guy, they die , even my orchids dry out . And then one has no use for the fairies, which stuck on sticks for the plant pot.

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Basically she has white skin grey eyes and black hair while he has black skin brown eyes and white hair
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Striking contrasts that have some superstitious Humans uneasy
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Actually,for the hair I try not to go for a pure white or black.rather the lightest cool yellow for him and the darkest cool brown for her.
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Excellent new dollz! I love the contrasts!!

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She has a grim task of punishing oath-breakers,sometimes via harassment akin to the Furies.
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Ghora and Belladonna having a family reunion with Kayra the Champion warily watching
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Been playing with Sims 4 lately...

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I'm still around.... finally got a chance to look at the older posts on here and LOVE all the characters @Prism has come up with!! Wonderful works!!

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These are members of the Micro Hero International board I'm on Smile

May continue this series... just gotta find ideas. If you want a pony and have an idea, let me know and I'll try and make you one in this version.
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Some toys Smile Finally got the set done. Please let me know if I missed any.

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Meet Rahne, the rain water elemental!

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Hi Rahne!
@Katcombs: you wrote: "If you want a pony and have an idea, let me know and I'll try and make you one in this version"
heh heh, if you like, you can handcraft one of Moonlight, she loves MLP. And if you like, one of Yeee too.
Moonlight made her own MLP character. She would like to know, how you made these Ponies.

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Yeee wrote:
@Katcombs: you wrote: "If you want a pony and have an idea, let me know and I'll try and make you one in this version"
heh heh, if you like, you can handcraft one of Moonlight, she loves MLP. And if you like, one of Yeee too.
Moonlight made her own MLP character. She would like to know, how you made these Ponies.

This set I made on a dollmaker, https://pony.town/
Most of them I had designed over 7 ago and made on bases, but I just had to remake them on Pony Town Smile
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Hey thanx for the link.
Moonlight just made herself her own Pony char and now she will be a Pony town junkie. what have i done!
The game is chaos pure, it seems.

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It is a little nuts. I'm usually on there as Katacombs (the brown one with brown and blue hair) or an Alice in Wonderland pony chasing rabbits, lol. 

I was playing with Toyhouse earlier, so may make some more elementals and flowers if I can think of them...

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Emmalina, my Disney girl on https://www.azaleasdolls.com/dressupgames/eastern-princess.php

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Heh heh, we were busy crafting some Ponys, lol!
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Moonlights character
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They turned out amazing!! I made some more of my gals, plus Derpy Smile They're sized to 3x then cropped in photoshop.

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Derpy

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