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Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Nightfall - I'm the sword, the spear, the arrow
Tymber

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Search in: Keeping In Character   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Nightfall - I'm the sword, the spear, the arrow    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyWed Jul 15, 2020 4:04 pm
From the day I saw Nightfall, way back in ElfQuest (OQ) #2 (I didn't have #1), I thought she was so beautiful. And seeing how she stayed with Redlance in the desert when it came to moving on and he couldn't - pretty much just sealed my love of her forever.

She was also, to me, one of the most beautiful. Because she had thickness to her, which got away from what you always see in super hero comics, of ultra thin waists and big breasts.

And this was just the nail in the coffin, to have my forever infatuation with her.

Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt Oq10-33

I hate how she's currently being drawn in Final Quest (well, I suppose it's technically over) - because they took away that thickness that they had her with and made her bone skinny. Sad

Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Stargazer's Hunt #3
Tymber

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Stargazer's Hunt #3    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyFri Jun 12, 2020 3:59 am
That's Yun with Goldruff, right?
Because if we're looking at updated profiles... Yun's is incorrect, still.
https://elfquest.com/yun/

Yun is the only known child of Skywise. However, her heart is as big as the sense of adventure she inherited, and she ended up adopting the orphaned-human cub, Khorbasi and raising him as her own.

So, this is interesting... how my view is different than everyone else's.

Let me start by saying, nothing is going to compare to the Original Quest.

Nothing.

To date, that's some of my favorite comic book story telling in ALL of comics (including Marvel, DC, Image, etc).

That said, Siege and Kings were great - but even there, I didn't care for the toothpick look Wendy went with for everyone. Everyone was suddenly super bone thin. But, I still enjoyed it. I think she was trying to evolve the character's appearances from the 70's bell bottom looks some had (namely Cutter) originally.

The stuff that followed, was... OK. Some good, some bad. A lot of the "contracted work" I didn't care for - not because it wasn't Wendy, but because it didn't feel like ElfQuest - whether that was Jink, Rebels, Wild Hunt - even some of the ElfQuest specific stuff felt off to me - like Kahvi, Two-Spear, Rogue's Curse, etc.

Then Final Quest comes along.

Pretty much the entire time - the entire time - I complained. Every issue, I was more frustrated than the last. But I hung on, waiting for that great reveal.

That great reveal was Cutter's demise (not in a heroic way, mind you) - which, already bothered me. I hate Pulp Fiction because you had a main character shot on the toilet. (Yes, I get that movie has a ton of fans. I am not one of them). Then the Cutter/Timmain soul thing.

That nearly broke the camel's back for me.

It cheapened everything - EVERYTHING - about Cutter to me.

It utterly ruined Cutter. Forever. FOR. EVER.

That to me was similar to Vader in Return of the Jedi. I felt compassion towards Vader, despite the evil we'd heard about, when Luke takes off his mask, and he had tried to redeem himself by destroying the Emperor.

Then episode III comes out - and we see him essentially murder children.

His redemption in Return of the Jedi was ruined. Because then all I could think was he was a child killer. And that's unforgivable.

But Stargazer's Hunt is announced and I say, "It's ElfQuest. I've collected it all my life."

Issue #1 comes out, I scream, shout, yell, everyone is bone thin, art looks weird. Story isn't interesting. More lame twists.

Issue #2 comes out - OK, this seems better than the first issue. More enjoyable. Getting some character moments here.

Issue #3 comes out - I find myself enjoying it. Not kidding. I still can't stand Jink. The entire notion that she becomes this futuristic character. Had I no idea of what she becomes, I'd probably more invested in her. However, knowing that she becomes a futuristic character - I also know nothing is going to happen to her. She won't get killed or die, or else that breaks... whatever ElfQuest considers a "time stream." Skywise bailing on Jink, not a surprising move. People claim "oh, nice, father of the year" - but the Wolfriders led short lives, back in the day. It probably was not uncommon that someone else raise someone's child because parents perish. And it's not like Skywise was leaving her in a dangerous situation. She was in the Palace. Safest place in the universe in his eyes. And time being whatever it is in ElfQuest, he probably thought he could make his way back easily.

Now, what I don't get is exactly why he left. That reasoning seems unclear - I mean, I get why. But I don't get what he hoped to accomplish. If Jink can just "teleport" to Goldgruff - why couldn't Skywise teleport to where ever he was going - rather than going the long route - so that he'd need a Preserver to wrap him up? That part eludes me.

And then someone in this thread mentioned Jink was the only character showing nipples all the time. And I had to go back and look. I was like, "How did I - as a dude - miss nipples?" lol Because all I ever see is Timmain barely being covered. And I only found one place where Jink's "nipples" are "visible" - and it's one panel - and I had to strain to see it - it wasn't blatantly obvious to me. Clearly, since I missed it (it's the panel before we see Goldruff rubbing his arms).

I don't get the copy and paste references folks have mentioned? I get the idea of copy and paste, but I am not recognizing where that's happening?

Is it great? No. But it's miles better to me, both art and story, in this issue - than any given issue of Final Quest. And maybe I am just thankful for that.

Although the wiped memory thing is becoming a troupe. It happened a few months back in a recent issue of New Mutants too.

My actual main annoyance is Goldruff - and not his name (I may be typoing it, don't care to check) - and Yun. These two bare too much of a resemblance to Cutter and Skywise (for obvious reasons) - but it just looks like they're preparing to write the "Goldruff & Yun Adventures" of ElfQuest to replace Cutter and Skywise with their children who bare a very, very, very strong resemblance to them. Like why couldn't Goldruff have Leetah's skin tone? Or her hair color? Instead of being a Cutter-clone. And Yun, with the Skywise head band rather than the old cloth headband she used to wear. Ugh.
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Skin color- how much does it matter?
Tymber

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Search in: All the Many Colors   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Skin color- how much does it matter?    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyMon May 18, 2020 7:24 pm
@Kojiyumi wrote:

From what I recall reading... somewhere... Bearclaw's lifespan was close to 1,200 years. Though he was also said to be one of the longest-lived wolfriders at that time (they have to live well over 100 given how many pebbles the Sun Village wolfriders had in their jar at Sorrow's End) And given the evolution of humans from first sight to current, I'd wager there was close to 10,000 years of time for the trolls to natural select to what they are now.

@Embala wrote:

You are right, Koji. I remember that it was stated in the timeline that the crash happened 10,000 years before EQ #1.
If I'd need more reason for their developement - it's likely that the Palace fueled their mutation, before and after the crash.
I don't remember any Trolls before Bearclaw's time in the comics, Tymber. No size comparison available.

@Prism wrote:

I reckon Firstcomer Troll's size being about the same as modern trolls was a Wendy&Richard retcon,since the Firstcomer trolls were only knee-high to the High Ones. I always thought the trolls grew in size whilst the elves shrunk and as for the humans,well they might'v been australopithecus and around the time of Fire and Flight cro-magnon.


10,000 years would make more sense, for the troll's evolution. Humans evolved from "cave man" to "stone age" pretty much, in ElfQuest, but not much beyond that. I mean, I guess at 10,000 year - we can also chalk up the magic aspect. It certainly wouldn't have changed Greymug / Picknose's folks being close to the Palace, since they were not close (but had evolved the same as the Gutterkraw/frost trolls).



Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Skin color- how much does it matter?
Embala

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Search in: All the Many Colors   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Skin color- how much does it matter?    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySun May 17, 2020 8:58 pm
You are right, Koji. I remember that it was stated in the timeline that the crash happened 10,000 years before EQ #1.
Trolls have a much larger birth rate than Elves and thus more chances to grow and develop within 10 millennia. If I'd need more reason for their developement - it's likely that the Palace fueled their mutation, before and after the crash.

I don't remember any Trolls before Bearclaw's time in the comics, Tymber. No size comparison available.
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Stargazer's Hunt #3
LurkingCat

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Stargazer's Hunt #3    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySat Mar 21, 2020 7:27 am
Thank you, Embala cat
I hope you and all you other father tree tribe mates are well!

Yeah, maybe it is his cub name. I hope so. I wonder how his name translate into German? Goldkrause? Goldkragen? Or is the ruff the bird Kampfläufer?

The art... I know Wendy does the covers and layouts and Sonny draws over them. #1 was imo okay... #2 I was hopefull and #3 is fully back to copy-paste-badness. Even the over used copy-paste FQ Sunstream is back Sad
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Elfquest fashion disasters
Trollbabe

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Search in: All the Many Colors   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Elfquest fashion disasters    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyThu Feb 20, 2020 9:05 pm
Yesterday I noticed something in my Father Tree Press hardback edition of "The Cry From Beyond."  This book corresponds to KotBW #1-4.

On Pages 11 and 12 (from KotBW #1), Elves of the four tribes are gathered for a healing ceremony.  Leetah, dressed in what can only be a ceremonial green frock (see Zinegirl's post), calls Strongbow into the healing circle.

Strongbow appears on both pages wearing a one-piece garment that covers him completely from the waist down.

Whether practical or ceremonial, I can't help but recall the pajama bottoms I wore as a toddler.

We called them "pajamas with feets in 'em."  Very Happy
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Whatcha listening to...?
Sorandril

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Search in: Off Topics   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Whatcha listening to...?    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySat Feb 15, 2020 2:27 pm
Oh boy. When you take up meditation at like 16 and go to college in the early 2000's (US) one can meet quite the array of characters, and obviously youve upped your chances of meeting a dark brooding young sorcerer who has to be #1 in everything.

He actually taught me some of the finer points about the astral plane, albeit kind of twisted since he was on the whole left hand path thing. Later i learned from my sister that he generally thought very little of me and made fun of me behind my back.

He joined the USAF after 9/11, he was from Bronx, NYC originally.
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Why does Wendy keep drawing Southern California?
Sorandril

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Search in: All the Many Colors   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Why does Wendy keep drawing Southern California?    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyFri Jan 31, 2020 1:07 pm
Yes, i know, Comic-con is in Diego.....

But man do these mountains look familiar. As well as what Skywise saw on the giant eagle. And the vegetation.....

and just remember, yes, we are #1 in America in poisonous spiders.
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Waiting for Christmas
Embala

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Search in: ElfQuest FanArt and FanFiction   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Waiting for Christmas    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySun Dec 29, 2019 8:09 am
Beloved Dead & Law and Chaos ... Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt There_10 The child is the link!

... and don't miss Kat's Pixel Advent santa ... it's a treat! rendeer


I had a glimpse (or two or three ^^) on your growing sprites collection since I'm back, Kat. Surprised
Three for one was a surprise! Relaxed cat-like Maleen, cute Vurdah with her lively contrasting colors, frilly Ruffel with curls and ruffles pretty in pink - the trio is perfect!
another colorful appearance - young teasing Shenshen and her old friend Zhantee. I bet you had fun with all the teal and greens. ^^ Hair of both turned out great!
Our Go-Back couple well adepted to Wolfrider life. I like to see Skot and Krim together as a couple. It's fitting that Windkin got a slot for his own. He was pictured as sort of a "loner among company" most of the time. You've captured him in his happier youthful times.
The next trio puzzled me at first ... blondes in gray and blue and PINK O.O ...? Then I've remember a special panel of three naturalized Sunvillagers ... Wing, Woodlock and Rainsong from the sunny family. Good choice!
Old Sunvillagers - a catchy view in their jewel-like shiny colors. Kudos for detailed and careful design. Toorah and Anatim are always eye candy.
Last not least always changing Jink. This one is clearly from the #1 cover - colors and pose and hair are so characteristic!

Gorgous job with the calendar girls and boys, Kat! Like I'm happy you've managed to keep it going dispite some troubles. Very Happy  You've promised NINE more, Kat bounce - my bet is on the Circle! Maybe they will show up just in time for the New Year?

This thread is going on til January 6th and then a bit longer ... enough time to finish this precious batch! *crossing fingers and toes*

Thank you for the Christmas greetings *hugs and kisses* and the praise. I had much time and lots of energy for EQ and totally into collages. I'm proud and happy that the effort is appreciated and still brings joy, Kat.

(comments will be continued after a break)
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Who am I - game
Embala

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Search in: Are You Game?   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Who am I - game    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySat Dec 21, 2019 5:45 am
You are "the Doma" or however the regent is called? ... naah, she's dead...
That's it - doing it the hard and boring way.

Seen in Rebels #1 to #6?
Are you the lady with the loadstone? (Scorch's aunt or so)
This doctor who is Rosie's "biological" Mom?
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: What are you doing now?
katcombs

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Search in: Off Topics   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: What are you doing now?    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyFri Jul 19, 2019 11:27 pm
I adopted three new hamsters RL today, hehe. I may pixel them once I get a day off... they're Ash (possibly Soot, she's black), Smoke (old lady hair grey) and Smog (lighter black/grey). All female. Frosty and Daytona keep trying to get to them.

Found out today at work my boss is moving up and he wants me to have his job, ACK!!! I've only been doing the one I have 3 months and gah!! Plus my first job will be hiring a new night supervisor. I'm going nuts!!! As if I don't already work enough... criminy! He hasta answer to every messup in the shop and he has me down as his #1 replacement cause I know what I'm doing. Wouldn't mind the money, really don't want the responsibility.... sigh.
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Redhead Ember's Stories and Poetry
Embala

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Search in: ElfQuest FanArt and FanFiction   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Redhead Ember's Stories and Poetry    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyThu Jun 20, 2019 10:03 am
I'm sure it's about Cutter's spirit ... and the mentioned sister is Shuna. Thus this poem should be sung by Sunstream, because he's shown to have a special connection with Shuna. But - shouldn't Ember be the "most loved"? *stumped*
Doesn't work - because Sunstream is in the Palace. Cutlet (my initial thought after the first verse) never was seen in interaction with Shuna. Leaves Ember ... but I don't remember a noticible connection between the foster sisters.

Is it your special view on the sisters? Artistic license? Or - were you tricky and used all three ...Cutlet #1, Sunstream #2, Ember #3? (non for Shuna because she cannot feel spirits). This would be my interpretation ist I'd be up to make a collage. Very Happy

Or ... have you stumped me again? ^^ Anyway - I LOVE it because it makes me think!

Quote :
Soul met soul,
ere eyes met eyes.
A soul in different parts.
He longed to see her eye-to-eye,
she heard, and met his heart.

This IS about a Recognition, is it?
And the second one ... my "collage interpretation" would be still  Treestump  Clearbrook ... but I'm curious to find out your intention.
It's discussable, whether Winnowill is "dead". She and Rayek would be an interpretation for this second poem - an interesting one.
But I found out while writing: It's much more literal. Mender and Dart. Very Happy

Nice to see you again, Redhead Ember and your writing is always a treat!
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Elfquest Dolling Thread 2
Embala

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Search in: ElfQuest FanArt and FanFiction   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Elfquest Dolling Thread 2    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyThu May 30, 2019 6:55 am
I'm lost ... #1 does not look like Skot at all (and not like Scouter or Pool) ... That's all I can think of. He's pictured so detailed and characteristic - pretty sure it will be a Duh! once I know. IS he a Go-Back? Named? FQ costume? (because older ones I tend to recall easier) ... any hint you want to give, Leanan?
#2 ... Rolling Eyes PURPLE-black hair and colorful and a Sunvillager - who else than Ahnshen! Really should have remembered - and recognized! - this one!

*needs to open the barber shop soon*
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: The Shaman - three generations of Gotara priests
Embala

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Search in: Keeping In Character   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: The Shaman - three generations of Gotara priests    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyMon Apr 15, 2019 8:43 pm
When "the Shaman" is mentioned in EQ context most of us will think of the Gotara priest we know from Original Quest #1.
Hater and killer of Elves, torturer of Redlance and fire raiser. Destroyer of the first Fathertree. In case he did it not by his own hand he had his willing tribe folk doing the job. Shaman was killed by Strongbow's arrow.
This one is the second generation, tho.

In 'Wolfrider' we see him as a young boy with his foster father and mentor, the "Elder Shaman". Hater of wolves and "wolf-demons". This one led his tribe to the hunting grounds of the Wolfriders. He was killed by Bearclaw.

The third one I talk about was Tabak, shaman-in-training and chosen heir of the Shaman. He was killed by Cutter.
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Easter EggQuest
Redhead Ember

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Search in: ElfQuest FanArt and FanFiction   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Easter EggQuest    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyWed Apr 10, 2019 9:48 am
Anyone figured out the nest hidden in the birthday thread?

Well, I found Adar for #1 Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt _01_ad10

Found the last one too - not gonna bring it in because of the rules - and I'll give my fellow hunters a little hint; remember! This is Embala we're dealing with; she's sneaky.
nonna + adar = ?
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Elfquest Dolling Thread 2
Embala

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Search in: ElfQuest FanArt and FanFiction   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Elfquest Dolling Thread 2    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTue Mar 05, 2019 2:36 am
Let them come, Leanan! Very Happy
Took me a moment to recognize darling Vaya stalking Guttlecraw's "hell".
She's SO Windstone!
Dear Nonna - the moment you know her you notice how well she's pictured.
WOW Shocked Shuna turned out amazing!
And there's Chandra greeting from the future - she's spot on.

Still no time or to comment properly - or too tired to think.
I welcome back all the homecomers and the new ones alike, Kat. Enjoying very much the pleasant view ... learning how to make inventive fins Like ... admiring tiny sprite jewels. The girl all in blue reminds of of a character you've called Crystal Ice or Ice Crystal.


The resident Rockshaper of Beryl's Forest Elves ...

Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt Magica15 Silverhand

.. levelheaded recognized mate of chief Birchblood, mother of Moonblade and Squirreltail.


P.S.: I've included no helpful link in my previous post. It's the forumotion system that turns every #1, #2 ... a.s.o. into links - for whatever reason.
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Elfquest Dolling Thread 2
Leanan

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Search in: ElfQuest FanArt and FanFiction   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Elfquest Dolling Thread 2    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyMon Mar 04, 2019 12:41 pm
All correctly guessed! Very Happy cheers

@Embala wrote:

Jink - I'm lost about colors (this cover ...#1?) - going for white hair and magic


I don't see a cover in your link, just a selection of posts from this forum. But yes, it was inspired by the iconic Jink cover: http://elfquest.com/read/index.php?s=JK/JK01

katcombs, Faith is gorgeous! I love the happy smile.

More more more...

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Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Elfquest Dolling Thread 2
Embala

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Search in: ElfQuest FanArt and FanFiction   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Elfquest Dolling Thread 2    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyMon Mar 04, 2019 6:41 am
Fast guess:
Serrin (pretty obvious)
Minyah, the gardener (judging from my last confusion about this girl ^^)
Trueflight, Strongbow's mother (reminds me a previous doll; right hairdo)
Yeyeen - that's definitely a Glider here Aroree Sad
Jink - I'm lost about colors (this cover ...#1?) - going for white hair and magic

for Wavelion:
"Urchin" makes me think of Firesting - Seasting - Wavesting ... or Stingray ^^
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Elfquest Dolling Thread 2
Embala

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Search in: ElfQuest FanArt and FanFiction   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Elfquest Dolling Thread 2    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyThu Feb 28, 2019 5:16 pm
@Leanan wrote:
Forest Flame looks sweet and a bit shy... Thornless looks calm and serene. Lovely ladies, both of them.

WOW Very Happy ... in this case I did a good job! That's exactly how Beryl described them! Thank You.

Well succeeded Wolfriders, Leanan. Like #1 was puzzling at first sight but her two successors were a big help! Actually the outfit design is pretty close - and then I've realized that her hairdo wasn't far off, too.
Skyfire turned out unmistakably - Recognition at first sight. ^^ Even the headband is perfectly mimiced.
My favorite of the ancient chieftesses is Goodtree (yes, I mean Goodtree ^^) ... I love the vines and leaves. And green is my color anyway.
You've created them spot on from the centerfold. Like

Yun was easy enough to identify - prety and strong and good colors. But Krim - she looks amazing! Usually she's one of the harder characters to doll - you've captured her spot on!


Precious sprites! I love you Coralberry complete with fins, Seaglade tone on tone ... and I hardly remember Jademark despite his chatracteristic appearance. Masterpieces. Last not least Redtide - another catchy color scheme.
Our Lau is so pretty and mysterious, Kat. Tthe glowy blue ornnaments enhance this vibe. I love her braided tresses! About the green skin ... It's the forest light! Look at it ... she mirrors her Envirionment ... maybe she even have some mimicri powers? ^^


Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt Magica19 Starshine

Recognized lifemate of Birdwing, lifemate of Thornless, Stepmother of Forest Flame and mother of Swiftaxe. Deceased. Sad When I remember right she was the dressmalker of Beryl's Forest Elves.
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Elfquest Dolling Thread
Embala

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Search in: ElfQuest FanArt and FanFiction   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Elfquest Dolling Thread    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyFri Oct 19, 2018 7:07 pm
No problem, Kat. ^^ Even if moist of them turned out pretty well for me it's har to meet my imagination.
- a huge cast
- a maker with very limited options
- a "no edits" premise
... no wonder part of them stay unrecognizable at first view. *hugs and kisses*

Let's see how I can help out:
- the roundears are Nonna, Shuna and Tingeh
- followed by an imagination of Rillfisher (beloved dead), Dewshine and - Hummer! O.O
- the Sunmaidens: Dodia has chosen a dress for the festival of Flood and Flowers; Jarrah as we've seein her first - with the red spere symlolizing Rayek ^^; last not least Windstone
- the High Ones should have been easy - Gibra, Kaslen and Sefra
- Go-Backs might have been tricky: Krim with a more probable hairdo; Mardu and Urda- definitely not amused
- Wavedancers as named ... I've looked into the old Wavedancerr #1 issue for designs. Imagine Foam's dark long skirt as part of the rocks ... ^^

And now - Futurefolk! Jink, Chandra Davenkee and Rosie Preserver

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Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: FUTURISTIC TALES
PCoquelin

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Search in: ElfQuest FanArt and FanFiction   Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: FUTURISTIC TALES    Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTue Jun 26, 2018 6:30 am
Echoes

In orbit around the planet Makibza IIIc, the Palace met a 'medusa' spaceship again.
Like the one that had allowed the Palace elves the first contact with interstellar civilizations and trade.
This one simply travelled through that stellar system, as slow as ever, but it detected the Palace (since Sunstream decided to make it visible to it) and it emitted a message to their attention.

The picture and symbols were clear : some traders had some important information to trade,
and they proposed a rendez-vous at a discrete management station for a mining company, in the system Haax, a peaceful sector of the galaxy.

What was worrying was.. the traders were Shingouz.
In the message, these small ugly creatures explained they had learned of the trading opportunity only by the Yuudzem, a being who was legendary for its ability at divination, and that being had told them the 'medusa' species would be the intermediate for finding the best client for what the Shingouz wanted to trade : they just had to mention to them : " Teleportation ", and they would understand.
And they did.

Meaning that the existence and activities of the Palace elves were still mostly secret.

What the elves knew was that the Shingouz traders always came by three of them, were excellent bargainers, but..
..they were desperately honest, they never lied, and they almost never cared what information or elements they were trading, nor with whom.
Hence, dealing with them asked for wisdom.

The elves discussed, and Sunstream convinced them the best way would be for him to go there with the special spaceship.
It was charged with magic, energy, nuclear 'fuel', air, water, food, everything needed.
Nêvem had ended bringing and testing some improvements : three small powerful, pulsative and precise ion-beams cannons, integrated inside the huge fins, designed to shoot, in focus, straight in front of the ship to 'clear the path', thus emptying space of rocks, dust, and even gas. It helped greatly in sparing the shell shocks.
Nêvem insisted on telling him those cannons might also serve as terrible weapons, if need be...
..but Sunstream sternly told him he would NOT use them to destroy enemy ships, ONLY to neutralize them. And only in LAST recourse.
" Your problem... ", was all Nêvem had to answer to that.
Two Titacta would accompany Sunstream, in this...
One resembling a glowing sphere, hosting and interfacing an evolved artificial conscience, able to pilot the ship while the elf would negociate at the station.
The other one, a well armed Titacta, who would serve as an escort, and for checking the rendez-vous place, first :
Sunstream could see and hear and even smell and touch through it, from afar, and it was very agile, well equipped, and highly trained. It even had an invisibility cape.
Both were perfectly in resonance with Sunstream's mind, and he could 'pop' them just as easily as he would 'pop' himself from and to the spaceship's spheric capsule.

Fur-fur would stay in the Palace, in the Garden.
Sunstream had hesistated, but the spaceship could hold only enough magic to insure Sunstream's magic shield, in the station.
Not Suntream's AND fur-fur's magic shields, if there was trouble, there.

When the small spaceship popped out from the Palace, there remained five days for accepting the rendez-vous, at 67 light years from there.
Amply enough, considering the ship's travelling ability.
Even if it didn't 'pop' as far as the Palace, of course, 'popping' was enough :
the nuclear bursts the three reactors could emit, with the typical light blue series of flashes signing the Cf disintegration..
..were reserved for extreme speed and maneuvers.
To observers, there, it would look like 'teleportation', for sure... Moreso that the spaceship was veryveryvery difficult to detect.
The reconnaissance Titacta would have almost three days to make sure the place was safe.

One day proved to be enough.
There was no trap, no ambush.
Only three teams of miners, their usual individual weaponry against pirates, five mining ships around, with only light armament.
And the three Shingouz, with no weaponry, only a detection device. It seemed to be a rather good one, for it detected a presence, when the Titacta explored the set of three rooms the Shingouz had been waiting in, for ore than two months, already.
They simply reacted as if their 'client' had come, sitting at the table, waiting.
Sunstream knew those creature HATED waiting, which meant the deal HAD to be an important one !...
Mentally, he smiled : " Well.. They will wait a little more. "
However, following the procedure previously discussed with Nêvem, Sunstream offered himself some security.
The reconnaissance Titacta ended its checks in the station. Still no sign of danger.
The small spaceship would take some speed way our of detection range, and then pop back into orbit of the moon the station was located on.
And Sunstream would pop right into one of the rooms.
At ANY sign of danger, the other Titacta would warn him with a short signal, and Sunstream would have eight heartbeats to come back to the ship.
Past that delay, the ship would enter escape maneuvers, but it would come back later for allowing Sunstream to pop inside it.

Sunstream was now in the room, invisible, the Titacta in guard, outside, allowing Sunstreal to check on the miners' activities.
The three Shingouz muttered, irritated, but then they sat, and waited.

Sunstream showed himself at the minimum rate, a mere halo of clear light, barely visible.
He didn't sit, standing at some meters of the table.
And he calmly said, in the galactic 'standard' language : " Your rendez-vous is accepted. State the deal. "

As usual, the shingouz trio spoke..

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..in three consecutive voices.

Soft, insidious voices, testing his emotions, Sunstream noticed.

" We first have to show you.. "
" ..the recent developments.. "
" ..of the war waged by the Ksarr. "

As he expected, the danger came from what was to be traded...

The Shingouz activated a set of recorded holo-news, showing the terrible defeat the Ksarr fleet had suffered.
There were enough details to confirm Timmain's plan had succeeded.
Maybe beyond her expectations, for the damages were huge, and the global war plan of the Ksarr had even dramatically changed.
Two Ksarr generals had been executed.
Nineteen systems had been lost, among the eightry-three systems ruled by the Ksarr.
And... Most delightful of all... The Ksarr had not understood AT ALL what had happened :
They had KEPT the Adjura, not believing, not figuring for one second that this machine could have been the cause of that disaster, and it was obvious to Sunstream that this hacked war machine Timmain had traded back to them..
..had CONTAMINATED two other Adjura !
Sunstream remembered it had been an option, for eight 'conscience pearls' had been hidden inside it.
And the damages were limited to the Ksarr war ships and military structures.
Sunstream mentally concluded from that set of news : " Excellent ! And it is only the beginning of the end, for the Ksarr... "

The interest of the Shingouz about those events was easy to guess : this turn of events was considerably shocking and surprising MANY spacefaring sentient species, in the four sectors of the galaxy concerned with the Ksarr expansion and domination plans.

" The Yuudzem told us.. "
" .. we could meet someone who would sell to us .. "
" .. information about what was causing this defeat. "

Sunstream pondered...
He told them : " This deal may interest me ONLY if the Ksarr do not learn, until their ultimate demise, what I can tell you. "

" The Yuudzem warned us.. "
" .. we would have to accept that condition .. "
" .. hence we shall sell the information only to some foes of the Ksarr. "

The elf asked : " What do you have to sell ? "

One of the Shingouz cautiously extracted a small device from his small bag and put it on the table.
Sunstream detected no threat, and he noticed it was a holo-projector from a highly tech species, reserved to the elite of some far away sectors of the galaxy.
He even knew it was a low quality copy of a hi-res recording.

The Shingouz openly showed they had selected only some pictures, as a demonstration of the whole recording's content.

And what Sunstream briefly saw.. was SO interesting, SO unexpected, and SO intriguing.. he knew he had to accept the deal.

However, he took some heartbeats to think.

He finally asked : " Why not the high resolution recording ? "

The Shingouz were a bit surprised and upset, but they answered :
" The Zeeer Network is VERY concerned.. "
" ..about illegitimate copies of their diffused shows.. "
" ..and we could not afford risking a trial. "

Sunstream hardly refrained from laughing out loud.
The Shingouz never lied, but they would not admit they could simply NOT afford buying a hi-res recording.
When the representatives of the Zeeer species said " Elite ", it meant.. the richest among the richest.

He guessed he might now taunt them, by saying : " I could simply buy one. ", as Nêvem would undoubtedly have done, in such a circumstance..
..but the Shingouz deserved some help from the elves, for their species was barely above the "lumpenoid" status, most trading species disliking trading with them... And NO Shingouz EVER enriched itself, personally : EVERYTHING they earned through their constant bargaining ways ended in helping their homeworld. 'Desperately' honest and sharing ways, yes...

Sunstream said : " I accept the deal. "

The Shingouz had glimpsed the blurred shape of the long saber, through the halo, and they had probably guessed it was a weapon...
Sunstream assumed they chose to apparently 'ignore' its presence, just like Sunstream had chosen to 'ignore' their detection device ; they would not learn much from it, anyway...

He simply said : " One Adjura was hacked. "

The Shingouz quickly understood it was information enough.. and they admitted the value of that by snatching their equipment ( bags, where the detction device was ), leaving the room, the recording still on the table.
Amused, Sunstream perceived they were a little vexed.

When the Titacta confirmed they had left for good, hurrying towards their small ship without trying anything foolish, the elf thoroughly checked the holo device, but there was no tracking system, no trap, no joke : the show had been entirely recorded. Low-res, yes, but in full.

Still no problem.
Sunstream and the Titacta popped back into their spaceship, and, after some checks, it popped back to the Palace.

There, Sunstream showed, before all the elves, what the recording revealed.

It was a spectacular show, presenting an event that occured very rarely, but that was very well organised.
A duel between two of the 'real elves' the Palace elves were looking for.
Both had a special saber, resembling a lot Sunstream's one.
Vibrating, with micro-dart projection.
One a red saber, synthetic ruby, the other one a blue saber, synthetic sapphire. Almost identical. Only extremely subtle differences.
They dueled for the owning of a spaceship resembling terribly the one Sunstream had created.

However, Sunstream had noticed MANY differences.
The sabers were simpler, far less adapted than his.
The spaceship was larger, its shell mainly made of special high pressure gold, probably far thicker, with much armament, and with nuclear propulsion, meaning they, too, knew and used a spheric anti-G capsule ; however.. Sunstream guessed that ship had FAR inferior characteristics, when compared to the one he and Nêvem had created and improved.

Even before the duel had begun, Sunstream had understood. It was NO coincidence.
The date of the event, and the galactic sector where this show was recorded.. had told him what had happened.
The saber they had.. came from the Thri-Kreen.
The spaceship he had 'invented'.. Its design was a mere mental ECHO of theirs, the audience's mental reactions being emitted almost simultaneously.. and received and amplified by the Palace, and then by his brains, when he was mentally designing it !
Simple as that.

The two dueling elves were dressed almost in the same way, only the colours changing, red and blue, not much more elements differenciating them...
Both of them were five-fingered, taller than Sunstream, almost the size of Timmain.
But their faces presented VERY different personalities !
The 'blue' one had a cool, respectful attitude, very calm. Clear blond hair, almost long, braided carefully. A male, young adult.
The 'red' one a female, young adult. A little younger. She was excited, her hatred barely kept at bay, scowling, at times. Very short white hair.
There was a form of short salute, on both sides, and it began.

In the show, that elf species was NEVER named. The duelists were NEVER named, only referred to as " Candidates ", #1 and #2.
But it was explained that it was a duel to death, and the loser, if still possible, would have their brains extracted, healed and preserved, and coupled to an artificial conscience system, and would exist only to SERVE the winner aboard the won spaceship !
Every needed surgery equipment was ready. A sinister form of advertisement...

The Palace elves were deeply shocked, at hearing those explanations, in an enthusiastic tone, as if it was normal...

First the dueling elves moved slowly, studying each other, circling, attempting some moves and approaches...

The arena was wide, the ground was firm, a special surface adapted for fighting at best conditions.

All elves soon witnessed how extremely trained those elves were !
Their moves and attacks and defenses were extremely fluid and FAST, the recording indicating how much slowed down many scenes were, in order for the audience to fully appreciate the fight.
NO elf, aboard the Palace had ANY training allowing that kind of performance. By very far. Even Sunstream...
...and they all gasped, all along that 'show'.

There were MANY wounds, on both sides.
The micro-darts were poisoned, and with a very potent killing poison, but both opponents dodged and even obviously anticipated most dart attacks in advance.
And the Palace elves understood the darts were mostly a THREAT, limiting and orienting the opponent's set of possible moves.
In two VERY different fighting styles.

And the 'red' "candidate" finally lost.
The fight's duration had 'only' been.. nine minutes and twenty-six seconds, standard galactic time.
But the Palace elves, and Sunstream, especially, had the strange feeling it had lasted far longer.

Sunstream felt deeply humbled by both elfin opponents' level at the fight with the saber.
And both had coupled that with a deep mastery of martial arts, even if no 'style' could be truly identified. More like a very well studied and carefully chosen combination of techniques.. a complex set of moves, incredibly adapted and improved.

Sunstream had learned MUCH, and he would scrutinize even more, and repeatedly, that recording, to be able, some day, he hoped so.. to BEGIN re-adapting his own training to try and reach... THAT level ! He could barely imagine how LONG it would take him...

He had also understood that each of them used some 'Feeling', 'Control' and 'Effect' techniques from the 'Force'.
It was subtle, but the zooming, for the show, even illustrated it, the vibrating edge glowing at impact, the precision of some hits far too high, and so on.

It had been NO 'sport', in fact, for it appeared that those "space elves" simply had NO choice in that system, separated into two different and very opposite sides, but to duel for obtaining ONE spaceship. It also implied a form of constant conflict between those 'red' and 'blue' elves, in some galactic sectors.
But Sunstream easily deduced they were DISCRETE... and FEW.
Some mentions, in the recording, indicated that those elves somehow originated from one of the forbidden sectors, but that their species had considerably adapted, in time, along MILLENIAS.
The 'blue' side was oriented towards building, helping, and protecting civilization.
The 'red' side was violent, never hesitating to destroy, wanting power above all.

Now, Sunstream knew who Palpatine's " Red Guards " were.

And the 'blue' side could, perhaps, become allies, for the Palace elves.

However...

The situation was far more complex..
..than what the Palace elves had expected.
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Sofia

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@Embala wrote:
Welcome back, Sofia! Never too late to catch up. Hug *remembers me waiting for German issues back in the past*

I doubt there is an "official" retconning at all - less a list! All I remember is there's still Rule #1 ... and comments along the lines: "That's not important for Elves!" "That's just another thread  / different pov ..." Elves are not linear." or new: "Every rule will be broken."

I suggest you just tell what's puzzling you most, Sofia ... and we try to explain as far as we know. Or - how we put it together for ourselves.

Aaah, sorry I ignored this reply from you so long Embala!!! I completey missed it and I'm terrible at checking this forum Embarassed I don't think I'm really truly confused by anything in the comics, other than in the sense of "why did they choose to change this"-kind of confusion. But thank you for the offered help!

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@Embala wrote:
scratch Now this would totally count as a retcon, wouldn't it? A fairly unnecessary one ... and not enlightening either.


And one that retroactively undercuts some of the more dramatic Recognition stories, imo.

Ever since I read the the Elfquest prose stories, I've headcanoned that Recognition was a broken mechanism. Take a group of traumatized, self-shaping psychics who have pretty much forgotten how do deal with the most basic needs of biology, dump them into the rawest conditions possible, add some alien blood to the mix, and Recognition is the mechanism you get out of it. It's not natural, which is why it's such crap when it comes to keeping numbers up; it's a messy biological jury-rig and, like Timmain's sacrifice, is a desperate stab at survival, if an unconscious one. It doesn't take any particular care for the needs or suitability of the individual, it's not great for maintaining a sustainable population (and never well be; even thousands of years later, Rain knows that they need more than Recognition to keep the tribe's numbers up), but it got the ball rolling on forgotten concepts like sex and childbirth. It's one more remnant of the High Ones' trauma, and the various tribes have had to come up with their own ways of coping, either romanticizing it ("soul meets soul when eyes meet eyes"), treating it as inevitable ("no one can refuse Recognition"), or, as with the Go-Backs, living in a manner than makes it almost irrelevant.

Ooooh, I really like this definition of Recognition, Anduinel - thank you so  much for sharing!

And I hadn't heard that about the Pini's view of current ElfQuest, Vaeri - I agree with BlueCoyote: why continue a story that you no longer feel comfortable with? There's is a looooot of backstory to retcon here. Making such big retcons for what's supposed to be a "final episode" feels so...counter-productive?
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Tynami's Ten Elf Challenge
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#1 Frostline


Frostline used to be Ice Crystal, but I resigned her and now she's a Dragonrider elf who rides Firebrand. Thinking of making her one of the many daughters of Skywise.


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And her dragon: Firebrand
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Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Some questions about the First Comer Troll King
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I had thought that the original series said that the Trolls & Preservers evolved over many generations from the animals the High Ones brought with them.

This was said by Timmain (via Suntop) in OQ # 20:
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Yet the First Comer King seemed to imply that he was one of the original apes that got brought on-board the Palace.

And This is from FQ #18 - how the Firstcomer Troll remembers:
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For me it is one of the many contradictions between the storyline from Original quest til Final Quest - an inconsistency at least. It puzzled me the same way as it did puzzle you, mojojojo.

Timmain clearly sais:
- We saw many generations of our pets come and go.
- Our shell, suffused with self-changing magic, affected them.
- The burrowers evolved, gained thought and speach.
- Eventually they became as long lived as we.
Upshot: The Trolls as we know them are the result of a generations lasting evolution - enhanced and speeded up by the Palace.

Firstcomer Troll remembers:
- to dig and find in the burrows of our home-sphere
- the Palace changed ME
- and generations of Trolls born within it
Upshot: HE came from the homeworld as an ape-like proto-troll and was shapechanged and mentally and physically envolved by the Palace
and there were generations of Trolls born in the Palace and changed as well.

Inconsistency.  scratch ... or misinterpretation?
Firstcomer Troll uses the term "home-sphere". Can he refer to the Palace sphere instead of the homeworld? No. Some panels later he's speaking of "Back to the palace-ship and then the home-sphere!"
Inconsistency.

Now I can make up my mind and ...
1. shrug it away as one of the many weird inconsistencies, retcons and changes and mistakes in FQ
2. go with the infamous rule #1 - "There are no ..." you know how it goes.
3. decide that one of them remembers wrong - probably Firstcomer Troll has mixed up oooold legends with reality - and the "richest soil of all" was just a "terraformed" home-world area in the Palace.
4. suppose that some proto-trolls got an extra dose of magic, became immortal first and then developed by magical transformation into Trolls.

What's right for you, for other readers ... or how much more different explanations can be found - make up your mind yourself. That's the best answer I can give here.


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Secondly he seems to say that he will go back to being one of those ground borrowing apes when he gets back to the home world. Is that really what he wants? If so why? I don't think many humans would want to go back to being an  

I don't think the Firstcomer Troll wants to regress into an "Australopithecus" proto-troll.

I can imagine what he means, tho. He remerbers that he was "digging in the home soil" - a simple being with a simple task. He remembers that he was a good digger - he did right and his task was satisfying. He was content with his life.

Then he became a rebel - and this rebellion turned out to be a major fail. "When I first saw this unfriendly world ... how I longed to undo my mischief!". This experiance was not satisfying at all ...
... nothing specific known about the following some 20,000 years ...
and then they made him King. Not a job he was fond of: "Too bad they made me King. All I do is sleep and eat ... and gaze at the treasures they bring."

He longs for this old life, satisfying work and contentness. No more worries. He considers himself as "Never smart ..." - maybe we should see him as the Troll model of Forrest Gump? Being a millionaire mawing the lawn. ^^

by the way: the panorama page of Homeworld shows him on top of a crystal tower at Savah's side in his King's mantle ... Rolling Eyes Inconsistency? Change of mind? *shrug*
Topics tagged under 1 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: What if...? Theories and imaginations. Free your mind...
Prayer

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Plot Theory #1

Timmain has the multiple personalities disorder.

The whole universe of Elfquest is in her mind. Every elf is an aspect of her. For example Leeha is love, Winnowill is evil, Rayek is pride, etc...she can't recover because she is the illness. She just says Cutter is a split of her soul because in reality Cutter is the real "I" and a human looking like Cutter in the real world (earth).

All elves are represented as humans in the real world with character similarities. For example Skywise is his best friend and a physician, Moonshade a designer, Tyleet a Dolmetscher etc..

Thus Timmain is not real in the real world.

Cutter is real.

Timmain says she is the mother of all elves because she is the illness that created the multiple personalities we see as the elves.

When Timmain dies (the illness dies), Cutter regains his health and wakes up as a human looking like Cutter with his wife Leetha, his children and his friends, and enemies from Elfquest (all humans).

Before he acted in the real world as a person with multiple personalities (having as many personalities as we know elves in the elfworld) in one person and when he died in the elfworld in his mind, he is was in coma in the real world (in a bed on earth).

___________

This is disturbing but now Cutter has a whole soul and a family to live his life with happily (after recovery from his illness, waking from coma, learning to walk again etc.) until he dies.

Just a theory...
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