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Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #23
Anaid

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #23    Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySun Dec 31, 2017 12:48 pm
I haven't read #23 yet. That's because I picked up #22 a couple of days before 23 came out and I didn't realize. I don't really follow the release dates, I just drop in on my local comic book shop and ask if there's anything new for me. They have mailboxes for their subscribed members Smile

I do want to add something to the thread, though, if that is alright.

I am mostly on the side of the disappointed people. But, I wouldn't be an engineer if I didn't try to disassemble something and then try to understand how it fits together or *why* it isn't working. And I personally think it is this: The elves have become ridiculously overpowered.

In OQ, it was an origin quest. Leetah could only send while healing. Winnowill's (normal) sending hurt her. Redlance's gift was expected, and yet still a big surprise, somehow. Rayek could not lift himself. Slowly, their powers grew. They find the palace. Like, spaceship, whoa. But it's not until kings of the broken wheel that Rayek flies it, and then afterwards there's major trouble and ofcourse he loses that power again, resulting in the palace sinking to the bottom of the ocean. Then, the palace is taken over by Winnowill and it crashes on the rocks. There's some balance there: The elves have a big struggle. There was cunning there, in their foes and themselves, and some sort of balance when it came to their powers.

And then? The palace found, they fly to Sorrow's End (correct me if I have the order wrong). From that point on, there's teleportation and lots and lots of magic involved. There's flying pods and unlimited sending.

I personally think WaRP didn't think this through by the time KOTBW ended: How are you going to balance it out again?

What disadvantage do you introduce for the elves, or advantage for the humans, to make it an interesting storyline again?

The choices made in FQ reflect that the device they chose is "inner strife". In other words, if you can't take away the superpowers of your superheroes, then you can try to introduce some dysfunction in their relationships. Often, this results in hilarious movie scenes, like Frozone yelling at his wife "Where's my super suit?!?!". But for Elfquest, that doesn't work I think. The premise was never "fantasy with a bit of comedy".

Looking at it this way, I'm not sure they had much choice besides "inner strife" when it comes to plotlines and re-balancing the parties. The guns... ehh.. Humans would need space travel to balance things out again. Maybe that's what the Jink series was intended to be: To ease Elfquest from fantasy straight into science fiction. Rayek should have jumped another couple thousand years at least.

I think the only alternative they had, was killing Cutter and some other central figures and, in the resulting chaos, have the humans kidnap some of the central figures: Elves who are going to be the palace's pilots (whatever their group name) and who can get them off Abode. Basically: Get all the palace- and pod-flyers.

As it is now, the directions that were chosen, even before Final Quest started, I think made it pretty difficult for the Pini's to spin a fourth (OQ, SABM, KOTBW, FQ) tale of epic proportions.

Just my thoughts here.

At this point, they've spun a web they cannot gracefully untangle. Let's see what they can do with #24. Perhaps there is something to be salvaged yet. Or perhaps the palace just flies off and that's it. Without a central theme or arc, I think there's little that can be done. (Conversely, with a strong premise / arc, some of the discontinuities may have been forgiven. Or maybe not.. Wink )

I was 13 when I discovered Elfquest. I grew up in a pretty goddamn awful household. Elfquest was one of the ways I could escape. I have fond memories, and although I am unhappy with FQ, I am faithfully following the story as a tribute to all it stood for, to me, in my formative years. In a strange way I keep coming back to FQ, because every disappointment does bring something good: It reminds me of how, back then, in a shitty childhood that left me with quite a lot of scars, a little girl found something good and beautiful. It showed me something to aspire to in my relationships. FQ is not what I had hoped for. And that's okay.
Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #23
Wisp

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #23    Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySat Dec 30, 2017 11:22 am
@Kojiyumi...yesssss. There has never been a more fitting time for that gif. Sheesh, what a shitshow.

Also, don’t we know Shuna survives? I feel like we saw her in the future sending and reminiscing about what happened to the elves? Talk about squandered characters though. Why did Shuna need to be in this story at all? The ice holt humans didn’t really matter in the end, it definitely seems the go-backs, wolfriders and trolls could have handled the remnants of the invasion force without reinforcements. So that means Shuna, Kimo, and Shenshen were all dispensable. I found Shenshen’s transformation interesting initially, but there was never any follow-through or payoff with her story. All so bad....I just can’t get over it.

I did listen to the EQ Show podcast for #22 the other day and I had to laugh when one of the hosts noted that Moonshade’s death was almost meaningless in light of what we now know of elf afterlife and the palace. The podcast is usually super complimentary of everything in FQ, but even they couldn’t deny that the metaphysics has undercut the story this point. None of the elf deaths at this point pack any punch. Poor Kimo died too late in the series for me to care...
Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Separation and togetherness (WAS: OMG here you all are!)
Anaid

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Search in: ElfQuest FanArt and FanFiction   Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Separation and togetherness (WAS: OMG here you all are!)    Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySat Dec 23, 2017 11:51 pm
I see so many familiar names here Smile

I read FQ #22 and went online if someone else was pissed off and I found this forum! Yay! Smile

When I read FQ #1 and #2, I was already grumpy with how things were going, but I felt like a deserter and outsider for voicing my dislikes. I read on this forum that more people had that at some point in FQ. I'm glad I'm not the only one who is going to consider FQ non-canon Wink

First thing I'm gonna do is post a short fanfic I just wrote 15 minutes ago. It's freaking midnight here, but I woke up with this idea in mind. So I wrote it, registered here and I'm so happy now.

:wave:
Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #22
Anduinel

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #22    Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySat Oct 28, 2017 3:21 pm
@Kojiyumi wrote:
ᴛʜᴀᴛ ɪs ᴡʜʏ ɪ sᴀʏ ɪ ᴄᴏᴜʟᴅ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ʙᴇᴇɴ ᴍɪsʀᴇᴀᴅɪɴɢ, ʙᴜᴛ ᴀʟʟ ᴏғ ᴛʜᴇ ᴏᴛʜᴇʀ ᴘᴀɴᴇʟs ᴡɪᴛʜɪɴ ᴛʜᴇ sᴀᴍᴇ sᴘʀᴇᴀᴅ ᴡᴇʀᴇ ɪɴ ᴀ sᴇxᴜᴀʟ ᴄᴏɴᴛᴇxᴛ, ᴀɴᴅ ᴀʟʟ ᴏғ ᴛʜᴇ ᴏᴛʜᴇʀs ᴡᴇʀᴇ ʀᴀᴛʜᴇʀ ᴏɴ ᴛʜᴇ sᴇɴsᴜᴀʟ sɪᴅᴇ (ɪɴᴄʟᴜᴅɪɴɢ ᴍᴇɴᴅᴇʀ ɪɴᴛʀᴏᴅᴜᴄɪɴɢ ᴅᴀʀᴛ ᴛᴏ ʜᴏᴡ ᴍᴀʟᴇs ᴊᴏɪɴ ᴀɴᴅ sᴋʏᴡɪsᴇ ɢᴏɪɴɢ ᴅᴏᴡɴ ᴏɴ ᴄᴜᴛᴛᴇʀ... ᴀɴᴅ ᴍᴇɴᴅᴇʀ ᴀɴᴅ ɪ ᴛʜɪɴᴋ ғʟᴀᴍ sᴘᴏʀᴛɪɴɢ ᴛᴏɢᴇᴛʜᴇʀ.)  ʜᴀᴅ ɪᴛ ɴᴏᴛ ʙᴇᴇɴ ɪɴᴄʟᴜᴅᴇᴅ ᴡɪᴛʜ ᴛʜᴀᴛ, ᴀs ᴡᴇʟʟ ᴀs ᴀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛ ʙᴇʟᴏᴡ ᴀʙᴏᴜᴛ ᴅᴇᴄɪᴅɪɴɢ ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜʀsᴇʟғ ᴅɪᴅ ᴛʜᴇʏ ᴏʀ ᴅɪᴅɴ'ᴛ ᴛʜᴇʏ? ɪ ᴡᴏᴜʟᴅ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ʀᴇᴀᴅ ɪᴛ ᴀ ᴅɪғғᴇʀᴇɴᴛ ᴡᴀʏ.  ɪᴛ ᴊᴜsᴛ sᴇᴇᴍᴇᴅ ᴀ ᴠᴇʀʏ ᴊᴀʀʀɪɴɢ ɪɴᴄʟᴜsɪᴏɴ ɪɴ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ᴄᴏɴᴛᴇxᴛ.


Lol, what? So what... Dart was in chaste relationships with Shushen and Talmah? Pfft. Pull the other one, Wendy. (I'd say I'm curious, but after Masque, I'm really, really not.)

@Shadowpath wrote:

Change Strongbow into a woman in those panels and everybody is going to see it as sexual assault and Bearclaw as a rapey bastard.


Doesn't help that another common way for canines to show dominance is mounting... (Yes, that is a joke. I do know there's no actual coupling involved in that.)

So far as the rape/non-con goes in EQ, it hasn't cropped up too often, but when it does it's rather disturbing apart from the act itself. There's a tendency for anything short of violent rape to be glossed over by the narrative. But that might be a topic for another thread. We're wandering away from the actual content of FQ #22.
Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #22
manga

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #22    Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyFri Oct 27, 2017 11:22 pm
There has been a lot about FQ that isn't clearly presented at all. There are so many places where ellipses are used and the thread that picks up after doesn't seem related. Like the scene with Rayek, Leetah and Cutter here in #22. Rayek breaks off and I don't see how that leads to the rest of the scene.
Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #23
Embala

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #23    Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyFri Oct 13, 2017 1:15 pm
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spoiler from Elfquest.com: The penultimate issue in the ultimate Elfquest series! His forces decimated by Cutter’s fierce warrior tribe, the fanatical human commander presses on, risking all to destroy the elves in their forest lair. Lives are lost on both sides.

So the Djunsmen finally found the Elves - and the Wolfriders fight. Actually the old armor shows up again -  or was it "refilled" by Two-Spear?
We can speculate about the loss of lifes. Going with the cover art Scouter and Kimo are candidates - and some Go-Back redshirts. Or ... anyone else than those! XD
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To stop the bloodshed, Cutter’s adopted human daughter Shuna risks more than even she realizes. Should she fail, the price will be war everlasting among the native humans, the elves, and the Djunsland invaders.

Shuna saves the day? Again. And what is she up to that effects invaders, natives and elves alike?
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Must Wolfrider chief Cutter, having fulfilled his bond with High One Timmain, now witness the utter destruction of all that has brought him to this fateful moment?

Now what does this mean - "fulfilled his bond"? Maybe #22 will give a clue. And I seriously doubt that last "fateful possibility" will ever happen. Cutter Cool

Thanks for bringing the preview to our Scroll, jaRf. Rayek
Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #22
Shadowpath

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #22    Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySun Sep 17, 2017 8:16 pm
@Embala wrote:
Okay, there's a new stunning surpise announced.

This costume shot from the Elfquest Public Group goes with this:
Wendy Pini wrote:
Oh, my my my! Leetah looks smashing in turquoise and green...we all know this. But THIS costume harks back to her action-oriented outfit in "Siege at Blue Mountain" - and even further back to the first ensemble we saw her wear in the Sun Village. Can't show you her face and hair because there's a top secret surprise you'll just have to wait to be revealed in ish #22! But don't these leathers look like a luscious Autumn leaf?


Wild guess: As her hair seems to be turned to common brown ...

... I'd say her ears are round. Wink

(okay, there should be two more fingers - but small fingers can be hidden)

*Looks at art*
Bleh.

Is the surprise she put actual effort into drawing her face and not copy pasted it again.
Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #22
Embala

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #22    Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySun Sep 17, 2017 3:54 pm
Okay, there's a new stunning surpise announced.

This costume shot from the Elfquest Public Group goes with this:
Wendy Pini wrote:
Oh, my my my! Leetah looks smashing in turquoise and green...we all know this. But THIS costume harks back to her action-oriented outfit in "Siege at Blue Mountain" - and even further back to the first ensemble we saw her wear in the Sun Village. Can't show you her face and hair because there's a top secret surprise you'll just have to wait to be revealed in ish #22! But don't these leathers look like a luscious Autumn leaf?


Wild guess: As her hair seems to be turned to common brown ...

... I'd say her ears are round. Wink

(okay, there should be two more fingers - but small fingers can be hidden)
Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #21
Sadachbia

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #21    Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyThu Sep 14, 2017 11:04 am
3 more, I think. #22, #23, and #24. Technically, I think it's the longest-running planned series. OQ was only 20 issues long, S@BM was 8, and KoBW was 9.
Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #21
Embala

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #21    Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySun Sep 10, 2017 5:27 pm
#21 was released more than two weeks ago, PC. I guess #22 will be available end of Octobre.
Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #21
PCoquelin

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #21    Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySun Sep 10, 2017 5:15 pm
What are the release dates for #21 and #22 ?
Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Death pool
Miss Gillespie

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Death pool    Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyThu Jul 27, 2017 5:26 am
@Ember: I would love that, too. But I don't think that in the format of FiQu this is going to happen.
At the moment I'm not sure if there will be many, if any, deaths at all. The forest fire in next issue can't be that disastruous, the blurb only speaks of one character. In #22 the humans are still "...press[ing] closer and closer to the sacred Father Tree..." and the palace will probably leave at the end of the issue.
I really don't see Wendy starting to kill of characters left and right in #23, some red shirts maybe.

In the end, most Wolfriders will have made it through OQ to FiQu
Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #22
Miss Gillespie

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #22    Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyWed Jul 19, 2017 2:14 pm
the figure has straight hair, so probably not Windkin.
25 issues, I always thought it's going to be 24? They want to drag it out even more?



edit: egh, there is going to be a time skip, in #22, maybe #23. "The palace, which left the world of two moons with its magical, graceful immortal passengers comes back for a celebration with those, who stayed behind. New loves blossoms, old rivalries resurface, while the Djunslander attacker press ever closer to the ancient, sacred Father Tree Holt of the Wolfriders".

Do you think, Wendy (or Richard, actually) is going to remember, that time goes different for those on a planet and those on a spaceship with the speed of light?
Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #21
Miss Gillespie

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #21    Topics tagged under 22 on Father Tree Holt EmptyWed May 24, 2017 8:52 pm
Redlance has the facial expression of someone, who can't act and is supposed to do some tragic scenes in a film Rolling Eyes

It's not just since FiQu that Wendy's line of beauty (always draw elves as pretty as possible) gets into conveying real emotions. I don't like the cover.

My guess is, that the dying long-enduring character is going to be someone from the fungi elves. They lived for a long time, they are disposable (as if most Wolfriders weren't) and maybe the will show, that they can live on in the mycelic system. This will probably give some ideas to Redlance (his dream about the roots of the father tree) and still convince more immortals to leave the planet.

Also, when will the drama around Door happen? Next issue, to be solved in one issue or in #22 and #23?
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