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Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #23
Anaid

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #23    Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptySun Dec 31, 2017 12:48 pm
I haven't read #23 yet. That's because I picked up #22 a couple of days before 23 came out and I didn't realize. I don't really follow the release dates, I just drop in on my local comic book shop and ask if there's anything new for me. They have mailboxes for their subscribed members Smile

I do want to add something to the thread, though, if that is alright.

I am mostly on the side of the disappointed people. But, I wouldn't be an engineer if I didn't try to disassemble something and then try to understand how it fits together or *why* it isn't working. And I personally think it is this: The elves have become ridiculously overpowered.

In OQ, it was an origin quest. Leetah could only send while healing. Winnowill's (normal) sending hurt her. Redlance's gift was expected, and yet still a big surprise, somehow. Rayek could not lift himself. Slowly, their powers grew. They find the palace. Like, spaceship, whoa. But it's not until kings of the broken wheel that Rayek flies it, and then afterwards there's major trouble and ofcourse he loses that power again, resulting in the palace sinking to the bottom of the ocean. Then, the palace is taken over by Winnowill and it crashes on the rocks. There's some balance there: The elves have a big struggle. There was cunning there, in their foes and themselves, and some sort of balance when it came to their powers.

And then? The palace found, they fly to Sorrow's End (correct me if I have the order wrong). From that point on, there's teleportation and lots and lots of magic involved. There's flying pods and unlimited sending.

I personally think WaRP didn't think this through by the time KOTBW ended: How are you going to balance it out again?

What disadvantage do you introduce for the elves, or advantage for the humans, to make it an interesting storyline again?

The choices made in FQ reflect that the device they chose is "inner strife". In other words, if you can't take away the superpowers of your superheroes, then you can try to introduce some dysfunction in their relationships. Often, this results in hilarious movie scenes, like Frozone yelling at his wife "Where's my super suit?!?!". But for Elfquest, that doesn't work I think. The premise was never "fantasy with a bit of comedy".

Looking at it this way, I'm not sure they had much choice besides "inner strife" when it comes to plotlines and re-balancing the parties. The guns... ehh.. Humans would need space travel to balance things out again. Maybe that's what the Jink series was intended to be: To ease Elfquest from fantasy straight into science fiction. Rayek should have jumped another couple thousand years at least.

I think the only alternative they had, was killing Cutter and some other central figures and, in the resulting chaos, have the humans kidnap some of the central figures: Elves who are going to be the palace's pilots (whatever their group name) and who can get them off Abode. Basically: Get all the palace- and pod-flyers.

As it is now, the directions that were chosen, even before Final Quest started, I think made it pretty difficult for the Pini's to spin a fourth (OQ, SABM, KOTBW, FQ) tale of epic proportions.

Just my thoughts here.

At this point, they've spun a web they cannot gracefully untangle. Let's see what they can do with #24. Perhaps there is something to be salvaged yet. Or perhaps the palace just flies off and that's it. Without a central theme or arc, I think there's little that can be done. (Conversely, with a strong premise / arc, some of the discontinuities may have been forgiven. Or maybe not.. Wink )

I was 13 when I discovered Elfquest. I grew up in a pretty goddamn awful household. Elfquest was one of the ways I could escape. I have fond memories, and although I am unhappy with FQ, I am faithfully following the story as a tribute to all it stood for, to me, in my formative years. In a strange way I keep coming back to FQ, because every disappointment does bring something good: It reminds me of how, back then, in a shitty childhood that left me with quite a lot of scars, a little girl found something good and beautiful. It showed me something to aspire to in my relationships. FQ is not what I had hoped for. And that's okay.
Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #23
Miss Gillespie

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #23    Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptyMon Dec 18, 2017 6:24 am
Anduiel is right, this feels so anti-climatic. This issue is going to have one big battle (on 24 pages, though*), some are going to go down (my guess is Mender: this "I'll come soon" sounds like 'he never will' and we can have sad Dart thinking about slaughtering).

I didn't like how this one Go Back spoke about letting the Go Backs bleed instead of the Wolfriders. In OQ, I got the impression that fighting and potentially dying was part of a Go Backs life, but dying wasn't the sole purpose. Mainly I read this sentence as "let us be the red shirts"

*the final issue is about the return of the palace, so all the conflict is about to be solved in #23
Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #22
Anduinel

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #22    Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptyThu Oct 26, 2017 4:16 am
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Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #21
Sadachbia

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #21    Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptyThu Sep 14, 2017 11:04 am
3 more, I think. #22, #23, and #24. Technically, I think it's the longest-running planned series. OQ was only 20 issues long, S@BM was 8, and KoBW was 9.
Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Death pool
Miss Gillespie

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Death pool    Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptyThu Jul 27, 2017 5:26 am
@Ember: I would love that, too. But I don't think that in the format of FiQu this is going to happen.
At the moment I'm not sure if there will be many, if any, deaths at all. The forest fire in next issue can't be that disastruous, the blurb only speaks of one character. In #22 the humans are still "...press[ing] closer and closer to the sacred Father Tree..." and the palace will probably leave at the end of the issue.
I really don't see Wendy starting to kill of characters left and right in #23, some red shirts maybe.

In the end, most Wolfriders will have made it through OQ to FiQu
Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #22
Miss Gillespie

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #22    Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptyWed Jul 19, 2017 2:14 pm
the figure has straight hair, so probably not Windkin.
25 issues, I always thought it's going to be 24? They want to drag it out even more?



edit: egh, there is going to be a time skip, in #22, maybe #23. "The palace, which left the world of two moons with its magical, graceful immortal passengers comes back for a celebration with those, who stayed behind. New loves blossoms, old rivalries resurface, while the Djunslander attacker press ever closer to the ancient, sacred Father Tree Holt of the Wolfriders".

Do you think, Wendy (or Richard, actually) is going to remember, that time goes different for those on a planet and those on a spaceship with the speed of light?
Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptyTopic: Final Quest #21
Miss Gillespie

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Search in: ElfQuest Comic Discusions   Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptySubject: Final Quest #21    Topics tagged under 23 on Father Tree Holt EmptyWed May 24, 2017 8:52 pm
Redlance has the facial expression of someone, who can't act and is supposed to do some tragic scenes in a film Rolling Eyes

It's not just since FiQu that Wendy's line of beauty (always draw elves as pretty as possible) gets into conveying real emotions. I don't like the cover.

My guess is, that the dying long-enduring character is going to be someone from the fungi elves. They lived for a long time, they are disposable (as if most Wolfriders weren't) and maybe the will show, that they can live on in the mycelic system. This will probably give some ideas to Redlance (his dream about the roots of the father tree) and still convince more immortals to leave the planet.

Also, when will the drama around Door happen? Next issue, to be solved in one issue or in #22 and #23?
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