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(1) Skywise - but in KotBW #9
(2) definitely not too much (still trying to refind the scene where it was hinted)

About your solution - neither Nightfall nor Redlance! Wrong turn after  
... and faceless Tyldak is not amused

I don't think HY #9 covers enough time to prove or disprove the point. It leaves out his proposal (or whatever they'd call it) and her response.

I just went back and reread Hidden Years #9. She really does not lead him on. Rather- he is saying and thinking things like "it was my right to claim her" and "Leetah belonged to me." She is actually just doing her own thing. He kind of stalks her.

I thought mortal/immortal Recognition always led to mortal/immortal twins.

My current, as yet untested, theory is that Shen-shen will also be a super-ovulator and have twins.

Also, my first(ish) exposure to Elfquest was "Rogue's Challenge" (book #9) and with that talk in the beginning about Rayek trying to inspire his people to seek a higher and better way of life... I thought he was some kind of priest.

Useful thread: A Breakdown of What's What by Skya



My Try of a Reader's Guide

It's not "the ultimative reader's guide" but good enough for a smooth read. I'll give you some information about the different series so you can decide by yourself.


Original Quest
Siege at Blue Montain
King of te Broken Wheel
Dreamtime - happens shortly after the return of the Palace ... awesome Wendy art
Hidden Years #4, #8, #9,5 and #10-15 - single issues filling gaps and giving background information for the time from the return of the Palace until the main story lines SHARDS and HIDDEN YEARS start. Read before starting with Shards and the rest of HY!

Main storyline - Shards (#1 til #15) and Hidden Years (from #16 til the end) - run parallel and influence each other.
Shards #10 / HY #24 and Shards #12 / HY #25 are directly connected - read the Shards issue before you look in the corresponding HY issue - spoiler warning!

About same time as Shards and Ember's Hidden Years storyline
New Blood #14-35 - Forevergreen Arc ... no direct connections with Shards/HY but it has necessary informations about the Sunvillagers' and Windkin's fate.
Would be no fault to read New Blood #11, #12, #13 before you start the Forevergreen Arc with NB #14.

Shards #16 gathers both the three story lines and the scattered elves.

Here you should read In All But Blood - it starts with Cutter's youth, a story about his early time in the Sunvillage, a story centering on Skywise somewhen after the return of the Palace. The last is the important one: Full Circle closes a time and knowledge gap between the end of SHARDS and the following stories ...

The Searcher and the Sword - following Cutter's tribe after Shards
Discovery - follows directly SatS

... that's what would make most sense for me to read in row from EQ1 until "present time" (= The Final Quest)


NOT on Digital EQ:
The Final Quest Prologue
Final Quest #1-24


more or less parallel with SatS / Discovery
Wild Hunt - following Ember's tribe after the Shards War
Mender's Tale (unfinished) - follows Wild Hunt
Recognition (Summer Special) - continues Wild Hunt
partly retold and more or less retconed by the Final Quest #1-2

The Forevergreen Story arc is more or less continued by
Worldpool - following some chars from the Forevergreen Arc - and
Fire-Eye (unfinished)
both probably "non-canon"



Other series and single issues

Tales from the Elves' wild past
Blood of Ten Chiefs
Two-Spear
Wolfrider! - read it!
By any other name (in the Readers Collection "In all but Blood")
Hidden Years #5, #6, #7, #9
#5 Starfall, Starrise - pre-EQ1 (story about Skywise and his parents' fate)
#6/7 How Shall I keep from Singing - High Ones' arrival and first years
#9 The Enemy's Face - story from Leetah's birth and youth
Homespun (in the Readers Collection "In all but Blood")

Spotlights on the time of the Long Wait (disappearance of the Palace until Big Sleep)
Hidden Years #1, #2, #3
#1 Wolfwood - during Long Wait (centering on Strongbow - I love it)
#2 Going Back - during Long Wait (Kahvi "visits" Sorrow's End again)
#3 Little Patch - during Long Wait (Tyleet's "cub")
The Jury (?)
New Blood #11, #12, #13
Kahvi

Background story of the Wavedancers
Wavedancers Issue #1
Wavedancers
Wavedancers - lost chapters (unfinished)
... it might be less puzzeling to read it after Discovery (some inconsistencies and retconning)

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Somewhen in not too far future
Rogue's Curse - following Rayek's journey after Shards/Final Quest

Far future
Jink
The Rebles
Futurequest (unfinished)

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I have not listed EVERYTHING here!

The rest of New Blood is a mix of Wild Past, Long Wait, various Misc stuff ... many of it considered non-canon

same for Bedtime Stories

Elfquest Volume 2 - containes stories that are mostly listed and reposted in collections (ask if you want to know more ... same for stories I missed to mention)

Kings Cross - a "What-If" / alternative universe story ...

Xanth - something totally different



There is no easy way to read through - you'll have to pick when you want to follow the timeline.

As you will notice some of the stories can be found in several topics. The Elfquest Vol. 2 issues have several ongoing stories in each issue - and then and now a single one. Many of these stories are gathered in collections:

Dreamtime, Wild Hunt, Wavedancers, Rogue's Curse, Wolfrider! to mention just a few.

You can stick with the gatherings to follow my suggestions ... Elfquest Vol. 2 is a read for completation when everything else is done in my opinion.


Don't hesitate to ask in case you need more information - or help to find some issues/collections.


Welcome to the pack Enjoy and have fun! Good read!

manga wrote:

But we know she lived and died.  Jarrah and Ingen only showed up in HY #9 - we never even saw them as background characters.  Yet Cutter's parents, who have been dead since before the story started, have shown up several times and Leetah's parents are often seen, even if poor Toorah is mostly used to remind us that Suntoucher is blind.

It has struck me as odd for years that we didn't know ANYTHING about Rayek's parents' fate when EQ has been so family-oriented.  Parents who are living usually make an appearance, parents who are dead at least get mentioned, if not guest spots.  No, not everyone, but enough that the lack of Jarrah and Ingen stood out to me.

Well we know Ingen's name, who his lifemate is and who his son is, can't say we've ever known any of that about Clearbrook's daughter; in fact we don't even know if she ever had a family, other that parents of course.
Now, as of FQ10, we also know that he, and Jarrah, are alive and kicking in the Palace. Figuratively speaking; I don't suppose they're actually kicking anyone.

As for them never being mentioned; it's not like Rayek really cares about them. Yes, EQ is familiy-oriented, but Rayek stopped thinking of them as his family a long time ago; in fact when you think about it Rayek referring to them as "my parents" in FQ10 is actually a bit odd; seems more like a reminder to the reader that those two are Rayek's parents.

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'Character Bio':

Ingen (m)

Alive (leaving) – immortal
Recognized lifemate of Jarrah
Father of Rayek
Grandfather of Venka

But we know she lived and died. Jarrah and Ingen only showed up in HY #9 - we never even saw them as background characters. Yet Cutter's parents, who have been dead since before the story started, have shown up several times and Leetah's parents are often seen, even if poor Toorah is mostly used to remind us that Suntoucher is blind.

It has struck me as odd for years that we didn't know ANYTHING about Rayek's parents' fate when EQ has been so family-oriented. Parents who are living usually make an appearance, parents who are dead at least get mentioned, if not guest spots. No, not everyone, but enough that the lack of Jarrah and Ingen stood out to me.

Here, for reference, I shall gather and present the exact and distinct scenes of magic-use, up to 'The Discovery'.
I will show only the scenes drawn by Wendy, because her work should have precedence..
..and because they are necessarily 'canon'.


Original Quest - #1 :
: Gliding (High One)
: Sending (Wolf Send)
: Sending (Group Send : call)
: Sending (Group Send : Sharing a vision

Original Quest - #2 :
: Sending (Individual call)
: Recognition
: Hypnotic trance (on elf)
: Emotion feeling
: Healing
: Light control

Original Quest - #3 :
: Very probable shape-changing magic highly charged on object (the 'Great Sun' item behind Savah shows changing patterns) - possible mind manipulation
: Levitation (on object)
: Hypnotic trance (on animal)
: Levitation (on animal)
: Possible Truth-telling
: Mind Probe
: Information : self-levitation was thought to be a lost power, among the Sun Folk

Original Quest - #4 :
: Sending (Dark Send)
: Possible emotion control (or more)
: Information : Magic can stagnate and turn into a monstruosity
: Magic monster (COMBINING powers)
: Sending (Special, intense, intimate call)
: Sending (Special call, by monster)
: Probable Watching over (by a dead elf, over a living one)
: Resistance to Dark Send

Original Quest - #5 :
: Plant Growth
: Soul Name
: Telescopic Vision
: Mind Control (on animal, pretended
: Mind Control (on animal, confirmed)
: Mind Search + Visual Projection + Voice Projection (probable - or a special form of Sending)

Original Quest - #6 :
: 'Going Out'
: Plant Control + Magic Feeling
: Sending (Lock-Send - Challenge

Original Quest - #7 :
: Tree Shaping
: Sending (from elf to wolf)

Original Quest - #8 :
: Magic Feeling (faint - familiar setting)
: Magic Feeling (confirmed - non familiar setting)
: Mental Link
: Mental Guiding

Original Quest - #9 :
: Magic Feeling (confirmed)

Original Quest - #10 :
: Magic of the preservers' cocoons
: Sending (Special, intimate, intense call - confirmed)
: Sending (Calling back images)
: Possible premonition
: Locked warning
: Preservers: a magically created species
: Sending (Dark Send - Torture)
: Tree Shaping (living wood into an object)

Original Quest - #11 :
: Sending (Dark Send - Stun)
: Rock Shaping (dedicated - Door effect)
: Sending (Dark Send - Piercing back)
: Sending (Group call to one)
: Anti-Healing
: Sending (Dark Send - multi-targetted) + Leetah's remark on anti-healing
: Gliding (Blue Mountain's Gliders)
: Sending (Dark Send - Kill)
: Healing (as an improvised Shield)
: Probable Prying on Sendings

Original Quest - #12 :
: Information : Locked Warning is mainly made of visual elements and feelings
: Information : Shaping and Healing are basically the same type of magic
: Semi-dead state Lethargy - used to enforce dedication of magic (here: VERY dedicated and limited Rock Shaping task)
: Flesh Shaping
: Sending (Lock Send)
: Sending (Intense, focussed, forcing)

Original Quest - #13 :
: Information : Going Out comes with deadly risks
: Emotion Feeling or more
: Sending (Deep Sending)
: Soul Name abuse
: Probable HARD metal Shaping
: Information : Ancient types of magic
: Combined magic : Rock Shaping + Levitation (complex, dedicated, + History effect)
: Information : Symbolic and memory effect, for the Egg
: Information : Magical semi-dead Lethargy helped by a potion
: Information : Healing tells much about genetics
: Resistance to Dark Send (killing version)
: Complete Self-Shaping (Plant - High One)
: Complete Self-Shaping (animal - High One) + Magically induced INTER-BREEDING
: Information : Probable Mind Manipulation

Original Quest - #14 :
: Information : Recognition reveals the soul
: Sending (Dark Send) - Mind Control (Oblivion)
: Going Out (Spirit Capture)
: Sending and Going Out (Spirit Seeking)
: Flesh Shaping (on animal)
: Tree Shaping (turning strangleweed vines into a living trap)
: Plant Control
: Going Out (Mind Touch)
: Healing (Mental Healing)
: Probable Near-Death Auto Healing

Original Quest - #15 :
: Open Sending (Sharing a vision)
: Magic Aura (Visual Detection of magic)
: Exchange of Soul names

Original Quest - #16 :
: Watching Over (confirmed)
: Magic Feeling
: Hypnotic Trance (on troll)
: Gliding (rough version)

Original Quest - #17 :
: Gliding (floating someone else at distance)
: Call of the Palace (confirmed)
: Possible Premonition
: Soul Name offering
: Possible Premonition (preserver)
: Gliding (heavy charge)
: Possible Hard Metal Shaping ('fusing metal to stone')

Original Quest - #18 :
: Rock Shaping (combined to shape the Palace's stone)
: Stone Feeling

Original Quest - #19 :
: Sending (Link)
: Gliding (lifting extreme weight)

Original Quest - #20 :
: Forced Recognition
: Spirit Feeling (High One)
: Information : Dead elf spirits choose or not where they go
: Information : those born out of Recognition attract interested spirits
: Extreme Longevity (preservers)
: Mind Linking + Visual Effects + Preserver cocoon's Think-Do + support by the 'Scroll' item, heavily charged with magic
: Information : Source and nature of magic
: Going Out (High Ones)
: Information : Origin of the Palace, of trolls and of preservers
: Preserver cocoon's Think-Do effect + 'out of time' effect
: Mental Link (from afar)


Siege at Blue Mountain - #1 :
: Possible Resistance to the Palace's call of dead spirits
: Power absorption (with the Egg as a support)

Siege at Blue Mountain - #2 :
: Sending Detection (long range)
: Mental Submission (by use of the Soul Name)
: Mind Probe (by the use of Mind Touch)
: Gliding (while asleep!)

Siege at Blue Mountain - #3 :
: Dark Send while Going Out!

Siege at Blue Mountain - #4 :
: Mental Healing (calming down)
: Information : magic is asleep in humans
: Genetic Change

Siege at Blue Mountain - #5 :
: Concentrating magic into an item
: Magic Feeling (in humans!)
: Gliding (very probably even inside cocoons!)
: Genetic Change (confirmed - with limits)
: Power Concentration (huge rock-shaping + floating)
: Gathering Power (Sending - demonstrating Dark Send)

Siege at Blue Mountain - #6 :
: Sending (gliders - strange limitation - preservers' cocoons)
: Sending Analysis (emotions)
: Possible information on magic - Control may be linked with need
: Same Soul for two bodies (possible reality / probable Mind Control trick)
: Tree Shaping - Anti-fire effect (+ effect of love on magic)

Siege at Blue Mountain - #7 :
: Mind Control trick (more probable)
: Egg as a memory holder (like the Scroll of colors - confirmed)
: Effect of will on group magic (focus)
: Mental Healing (emotions and need)
: What group magic can accomplish
: Egg meant to ABSORB the Palace, the elf spirits inside it, and their power
: Space and time travel (group magic)

Siege at Blue Mountain - #8 :
: Mind Control trick (confirmed)
: Group magic versus one (+ interesting remark: 'they KNOW her')
: Truth in Sending (Wolfrider savagery)
: Mental Healing (waking powers up)
: Healing (BOTH human and elf, at the same time!)
: Information : interesting after-effect
: Spirit Hosting
: The only difference is love (probable key for magic)


Kings of the Broken Wheel - #1 :
: Magic causes strange genetic effects
: Magic Feeling (by preservers)
: Fire Magic (Heat Wave - Group magic - by GLIDERS!)
: Floating (used for stopping the huge bolt) + EXTREME STRENGTH (manipulating that heavy bolt) (Group magic)
: Fire magic (Bolts - group magic - gliders or linked to Rayek)
: Shield (group magic)
: Mental Link + specific event near the Palace = triggering of a special effect

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #2 :
: Information : Timmain has more powerful fire magic than group
: Fire Magic (HUGE energy bolts - causing a huge chasm - group magic
: Freeing the dead gliders' spirits restores the Palace

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #3 :
: Shape Changing (High One - inside a preserver cocoon - confirmed as incredible feat)
: Sending (from far away and intensely so)
: Flying (Palace power)
: Reintegrating even an unwilling High One (Palace power)
: Extreme Velocity Travel (Palace power)
: Emotion Transfer (Spirits power)
: Emotion Transfer (confirmed + Interesting remark: dead elves barely remember, even recent and extreme events, like murder!

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #4 :
: Waking powers up (Palace power)
: Magic Vision (Palace power)
: Mind Control (forced sleep)
: Healing (another use of magic.. *sigh*)
: Rock Shaping (..the Palace - not so difficult, now!)
: Sending the Cry out (inside the Palace)
: Rock Shaping (..the Palace - SEPARATING a piece of it!)
: Disguising the Palace (interesting 'A PART of the new land' call..)

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #5 :
: Mind Transfer
: Mental Healing (Shutting mental door)
: Shield (Palace-induced power)
: Palace-induced effects
: Water Control (Winnowill - so soon after her exile on that island!)

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #6 :
: Magic Feeling (Extreme: Hearing a mental cry from beyond time!)
: Light Control (visual effects - Scroll magic)
: Link with the little Palace
: Mind Link (from afar) + Water Breathing (so soon after her exile on that island!)
: Time Jump (Palace power)

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #7 :
: Mental Call (Extreme)
: Mental Shield
: Lock Sending (facilitating birth - without a healer)
: Mental Shield (confirmed and developped)

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #8 :
: Rock Shaping (Determining a mountain's aging)
: Anti-Healing (driven by hatred)
: Healing (a human - leprosis-like terminal disease)
: Anti-healing (controlled)
: Genetic Change (removing the wolf blood from a wolfrider)
: Escaping Mind Link and Sending

Kings of the Broken Wheel - #9 :
: Water Surge
: Water Swirl
: Water Ram
: Mental Shield (Evolved into Mental Barriers and Mental Submission)
: Healing (at distance - power of love + Palace)
: Time Jump (back in time - Palace power)

Hidden Years #1:
: Premonition (not even watching the target!)

Hidden Years #2:
: Fire magic (Creating flames)

Hidden Years #4:
: Rock Shaping (Bridge - Palace power)
: Detecting humans around (Palace power)
: Winnowill in hypnotic trance and entrapped within the Palace's walls
: Fragments of the Palace (lost..)
: Healing (at distance - many at once - combined powers + Palace effect)

Hidden Years #5:
: Recognition (Mental Link effect)

Hidden Years #9½:
: Winnowill shaken out of her trance by Cutter's hating send
: Sending.. as the most adequate punishment ever!


Shards #16:
: Soul Entrapment
: Watching Over (visually confirmed)


The Searcher and the Sword:
: Sending (Complete Imagery, BY HUMAN)
: Preserver cocoon magic (to LEARN from the Palace)
: Deal elf spirit Calling (confirmed)


The Discovery:
: Magic Channelling (confirmed) + Learning in preserver cocoon (confirmed)
: Magic Shaping (Palace power)
: Going Out while cocooned and projecting a mental image from afar!
: Information: no hiding emotions while in this..
: Astral Flight (called by love)
: Water Surge
: HUGE spiraling Water Surge!
: Water Rope
: 'Us but not us..' - reminds of Cutter's remarks.. WHAT KIND OF ELF IS WINNOWILL, ACTUALLY!?..
: 'In THOUSANDS of years' !!

#6 blurp: "...The human warlord Angrif Djun, more furious than ever, prepares a massive assault upon every elf living on the World of Two Moons..."
#7 blurp: "...a dire threat surfaces..."
#9 blurp: "...But Cutter’s greatest concern is Angrif Djun’s massive war fleet, which seeks to crush all elves and their allies..."
#10 no mention in the blurp, but we get to see a dying Angrif and his fleet on the cover
#11 blurp: "...Angrif Djun’s war fleet invades the Wavedancers’ waters..."
#12 blurp: "... just as the Wavedancers deliver dire news: the Djun’s warships have arrived..."

oh and this:

#11: "...as a shattering moment of truth occurs between Cutter and Timmain..." so maybe we learn this shattering truth in this issue (or in #17, who knows).

Even though it's a nice gesture, that Angrif's troops are still honour his final wish and attack the elves nevertheless, humans don't react this way. Normally they would turn and figure out, who's going to be the next king (as the Mongols and the Huns did). Just name one historic example, where an army continued an attack even though they knew their leader was dead.

KR Wordgazer wrote:

So Two-Edge's use of the word seemed fine to me-- he is often old-fashioned in the way he talks.

And by old fashioned you mean... crazy?

Two-Edge, to me (despite his insanity, or perhaps because of it), sounded "old fashioned" in that he seemed very well spoken.

I don't know, the "sup" just didn't read well for me. Wasn't that big of a deal, the word itself (though, like most of what I have read in Final Quest - it was a bit jarring). But his "speech" over all seemed weaker than usual. And I think, as someone else pointed out - he went from, "Go away!" to "Hey, let's be best friends!" (Granted, crazy people can be like that). But it feels like a lot of this issue felt that way. From Two-Edge's attitude, to even Skywise's (apparent, for those that don't remember the previous stuff or are new readers) attitude and liking of Timmain, and even Timmain going from, "Everyone can walk!" to, "Hey Skywise! Hold me, hot stuff." Even Moonshade leaving (I can't remember clearly, but didn't she leave in issue #9?) and issue #10, she seems like, "It's been a zillion years! All those feelings from the last 9 issues of not knowing my place are resolved for reasons none of the readers get to know! But I want to be with you forever Strongbow! HOLD ME!"

All in one issue. There just feels like a lot that is being left for the reader to assume. I remember a time that ElfQuest focused on this type of stuff; gave it to the reader, let them know the inside of all these character's minds, and let it develop so you really got a feel for them.

That, I think is what is missing.

Lunakat wrote:

Besides, how bitchy was Leetah to Cutter? About a thousand times worse than just saying "no" one time. I think Skywise can just get over it.

Well for the Cutter/Leetah thing; there was Recognition. And we got to see Leetah's conflict about her feeling and the pull of Recognition. Timmain (again, based on Final Quest, and perhaps my horrid memory) simply went from "I am all powerful and mysterious" in the first couple of issues, to "We will not pick up anyone! They can walk their candy asses here!" in issue #9 (clearly I am paraphrasing) to "Oh, hey Skywise, I think I like-like you!" in issue #10. Nowhere do we see Timmain's thoughts on Skywise in Final Quest. And Skywise's thoughts (again could be my soddy memory) don't really reflect on Timmain in Final Quest until issue #10, and just before she's like, "Let's do the ramba in the sheets!"

Lunakat wrote:

You know... I actually like the art quite a bit in this issue. I like how the characters are drawn. The story is meandering, yes-- but I think that's because it's trying to give equal time to everyone, which is hard to pull off.

It's really just the plot feeling like it's everywhere that I have a problem with. I bet some of the things I dislike happening - Shenshen turning into a human, Timmain & Skywise, etc - would settle MUCH better with me, if it was developed further in the story. To you and I - it makes sense that ShenShen would become a human, because she loves being a mid-wife and this is the easiest way to be accepted by them. But that didn't really get developed. She didn't have any conflict of, "If I do this I may never see my family again" type of stuff - and if she did, it was extremely brief. Same with Timmain and Skywise. I would have liked to have seen that developed in Final Quest, as if Final Quest was the first time I was exposed to ElfQuest.

Deep down, I guess, it feels like Final Quest alienates new readers because Wendy is shoving so much into it, rather than breaking it up in arcs. Like one arc (maybe 3 issues) should have focused on Ember, Tier and whatever that human's name is, with a page or two dedicated to the Palace stuff, so you know it's happening in the background. Issues 4 through 6, build up ShenShen and Skywise and Timmain, issues 7 through 10 focus on Rayek and his approach to the Palace, etc.

Instead, it feels like the book jumps in EVERY issue, because she's covering so many elements at once, in EVERY issue rather than focusing on stuff, and eluding to other stuff.

Tymber wrote:

And that's another thing - in issue #9, she was being completely bitchy to Skywise. And in Issue #10, he's like, "Man, she's a hottie! I can't get her out of my mind!" Then by the end of Issue #10, Timmain's like, "Oh! Look! I shaped myself to be your size! Let's go make beautiful music together!"

Oh man. How many single guy friends do you have? When has a woman being bitchy ever turned them off? Trust me-- most of them like it. It drives them crazy-- they can't figure her out, and they're frustrated, and they want her... but they can't have her... but she gives them a little of what they want, except she makes them work like dogs for it! Yes, most men lap that shindizzle up! Not kidding.

This bit of story struck me as completely plausible!

Stargazer wrote:

Perhaps Timmain thinks she's expressing emotion and affection, but after tens of thousands of years as a wolf, she just forgot that her ears don't move and her tail can't wag?

And that's another thing - in issue #9, she was being completely bitchy to Skywise. And in Issue #10, he's like, "Man, she's a hottie! I can't get her out of my mind!" Then by the end of Issue #10, Timmain's like, "Oh! Look! I shaped myself to be your size! Let's go make beautiful music together!"

It just feels like it's everywhere.

It's like trying to watch a tennis match while fast forwarding the entire thing. My eyes are back and forth so much I have a headache.

I don't know if the spoiler tags are necessary from here on out; I just wanted people to be able to find the link and go to it fresh, without their eyes catching on anything.  The thread is probably "deep" enough now.  

Jarrah and Ingen look very different from HY #9.  Jarrah's hair actually looks black and Ingen's face is much softer - I remember him and Rayek looking rather a lot a like.  While it's nice, it's also a little not-nice. I wonder if Jarrah's choice of clothes means anything. It echos Rayek's "Master Of The Palace" outfit. Is she choosing it as a deliberate act to connect with her son? Or did Ahnshen base the infamous "buckle outfit" on Jarrah's style instead of the other way around?

(And if we go poking through the background of the old books, will we now be able to spot Jarrah and Ingen?)

I think I know what the "worse" is going to be.  Mindcoil, anyone?

We saw in issue #9 that Skywise and Leetah are fighting the Palace's magic to stay Cutter's height. Could be it's possible to resist the change (if there is one) to skin color as well.

No. I'm thinking 40ish years between Discovery and issue 1-9.

First of all the three years between Discovery and the birth of Korafay.
Then 20ish year timeskip in the Special (from the births of Shukopek and Korafay to the deaths of Ikopek and Ruffel).
Then the timeskip between the end f the Special and the beginning of issue 1. At first I thought it was less than a year - with Moonshade basically going into the Palace and not coming out until Strongbow begged her to in the beginning of issue 3. Then I thought that maybe a few years had passed. Then Shukopek turns up again and he looks old!
Finally we have the 10-year timeskip between issue 9 and issue 10. According to Wendy there'll be no more timeskips after this.

BTW: You might wanna more your quote outside of my quote. Like this:

TrollHammer wrote:

Redhead Ember wrote:

Tymber wrote:

Redhead Ember wrote:

Aaah! But it's been probably around 40 years since the Wavedancers were "scared ittle tuna fish", they've got plenty of time to grow tough.

Since Discovery or whatever? Because still hated them there...

Yeah, since Discovery. Seems like at least some of the scared little tuna fish mentality back then stemmed from how they were being led by Surge.


Didn't know tuna fish were especially scarredy by the way.

I thought it was meant 40 years between #9 and #11, as it looks like the Djun is aged and on his death bed on the cover.

Tymber wrote:

Redhead Ember wrote:

I don't really think it's necessary to hide spoilers anymore. It's been almost two weeks since issue #9 came out, and there'll always be someone who haven't read certain things. Seperated threads for each issue doesn't make sense to me either; after all we don't just discuss the events in issue #9 (or whatever) but things that happened in earlier issues as well as what might happen in later. We've already had a lot of discussions about what might happen in issue #10, and I'm sure as soon as the cover for issue #11 is published we'll go nuts again.

But maybe for issue #10 - and future issues - we can make any agreement to hide any spoiler stuff under the spoiler-tags for the first week.

I think everyone does it different. For me, I run a website for the New Warriors comic (granted not being published at the moment) - but the general rule was 30 days for spoilers. (Basically until the next issue came out). Some people can't make it to the store the first week or two that it comes out (whether lack of funds and what not). So having a "general" thread, where they may want to discuss something in issue #8 (from an ongoing thread within a general one), may on accident see something that happens in issue #9.

So individual threads, I think work the best. As for "what might happen in issue #10" - that's all speculation. So that's normal conversation - but at least it's contained within the thread about the issue that's trigger that speculation.

Although, as a side note, I eventually found a PHPBB add in that allows you to highlight text and put it in Spoiler tags - so you can't see it without clicking it.

It wasn't so much potential spoilers for future issues I was referring to, as the fact that we'll just never be able to talk about just the specific issue a thread is dedicated to.
As for spoiler-tags; we got those already!

SPOILER!!!!!:

G0lden wrote:

I'm glad Wing and Aroree settling things between the two. Teir and Ember seem to be on the same page for now.

You mean Windkin. Wing is dead.

Redhead Ember wrote:

I don't really think it's necessary to hide spoilers anymore. It's been almost two weeks since issue #9 came out, and there'll always be someone who haven't read certain things. Seperated threads for each issue doesn't make sense to me either; after all we don't just discuss the events in issue #9 (or whatever) but things that happened in earlier issues as well as what might happen in later. We've already had a lot of discussions about what might happen in issue #10, and I'm sure as soon as the cover for issue #11 is published we'll go nuts again.

But maybe for issue #10 - and future issues - we can make any agreement to hide any spoiler stuff under the spoiler-tags for the first week.

I think everyone does it different. For me, I run a website for the New Warriors comic (granted not being published at the moment) - but the general rule was 30 days for spoilers. (Basically until the next issue came out). Some people can't make it to the store the first week or two that it comes out (whether lack of funds and what not). So having a "general" thread, where they may want to discuss something in issue #8 (from an ongoing thread within a general one), may on accident see something that happens in issue #9.

So individual threads, I think work the best. As for "what might happen in issue #10" - that's all speculation. So that's normal conversation - but at least it's contained within the thread about the issue that's trigger that speculation.

Although, as a side note, I eventually found a PHPBB add in that allows you to highlight text and put it in Spoiler tags - so you can't see it without clicking it.

I don't really think it's necessary to hide spoilers anymore. It's been almost two weeks since issue #9 came out, and there'll always be someone who haven't read certain things. Seperated threads for each issue doesn't make sense to me either; after all we don't just discuss the events in issue #9 (or whatever) but things that happened in earlier issues as well as what might happen in later. We've already had a lot of discussions about what might happen in issue #10, and I'm sure as soon as the cover for issue #11 is published we'll go nuts again.

But maybe for issue #10 - and future issues - we can make any agreement to hide any spoiler stuff under the spoiler-tags for the first week.

Would probably be a good idea (and somewhat of a pain, I'm sure) to move the portion of the "Final Quest" thread that deals with issue #9 into this.

Or at least moving forward, make a "Issue" thread for each issue that comes out, so no one accidentally gets something something spoiled by reading the other Final Quest thread.

All the recycling and cutting and pasting is getting to me. I do want to like this stuff, but I'm very close to the point of giving up on it. #9, people, I hope you liked it, but I just can't get over how uneven the art is, and how the story is still not making any kind of sense.

Also, suggestion? Maybe it is an idea to start a new topic on each issue when it arrives, as a way for people who don't have it yet to avoid spoilers?

Redhead Ember wrote:

Miss Gillespie wrote:

Redhead Ember wrote:

But they are not taking the Palace to visit anyone.

So Suntop took the long road with all the Wolfriders and Sunfolk to consume recognition with Brill?

I meant now. As in; events after issue #9. Sunstream's and Brill's situation was pretty unique.

It's pretty clearly implied that Sunstream takes the Palace pods to visit with his family and come back. Korafey even talks to Reef about visiting the Palace.

I could understand not taking the Palace to pick elves up if the argument was "we don't really want to risk another incident like we had with Surge" because that would make sense. I don't get the feeling, after all, that Sunstream hasn't been able to tell anyone who the new elves he's talking to are, or what they think of this. They may include elves who are hostile to the idea of this alien(to them) thing intruding on them. They may be frightened.

The idea of the journey to the palace as a character building event, particularly since that "character building event" might kill several people, is nonsensical. It might make sense from an alien perspective, but from a human one, it's ludicrous.

As far as Venka's attitude towards Two Edge, we often see that attitude towards people with mental illnesses and developmental disabilities today. When my foster siblings have meltdowns, people go, "Oh, you're too big for that" because they ignorantly assume it's a regular tantrum, not the broken neurological pathways in their brain firing off over and over, creating the equivalent to a mental firecrackers. When my brother was killed, I answered "how are you today" with "I'm fine, but my brother was shot and killed" for a year. People thought I was oversharing, but I was in a state of shock and trauma, and couldn't answer the question any other way.

Also, she may have been counting on Leetah healing him, which, elves might think healers can mend all ills, but the history of healers dealing with mental illness hasn't been supersuccessful, particularly when it comes to dealing with trauma survivors.

Leetah has tried in the past to heal him, but it didn't work out so great for her. It took her and several others to heal Reef, another of Winnowill's victims, and even that clearly wasn't a complete finish.

It doesn't make her a bad person, but it does demonstrate a lack of empathy that makes her a bit more interesting to me, and a bit more like her parents. And honestly, it's not that unusual. Elves don't seem to generally have a very good understanding of mental illness.

And yes, their journey to the palace was ludicrously short(especially considering that Skywise and Cutter took several months to make that journey overland, and they were only going to Blue Mountain), but I think there was a timeskip(it's winter now, and it was autumn when they left off), and Two Edge knows all the shortcuts in the tunnels.

Miss Gillespie wrote:

Redhead Ember wrote:

But they are not taking the Palace to visit anyone.

So Suntop took the long road with all the Wolfriders and Sunfolk to consume recognition with Brill?

I meant now. As in; events after issue #9. Sunstream's and Brill's situation was pretty unique.
Honestly, I didn't factor the Wavedancers in as those who are not allowed to take permanent residence in the Palace, they've had plently of chances to do so - both when the entire Palace went down there during Discovery and those times Someone popped by in a Palace Pod - but nobody seems to have wanted so.

Why do you keep calling him Suntop? He hasn't had that name for... High Ones know how long.

I think the unusual alliance is Two-Edge and the Misfit Trolls, but at least the way it seems to be set up; Two-Edge leading them and maybe helping them find their way again is far better than how I feared it would be after reading issue 8.
I was afraid Two-Edge was knowingly leading them into a trap in some sort of mad thought that if everyone died Venka would have to be with him. After the preview came out I was totally "There's something really bad at the end of that river-voyage."

Tymber wrote:

But the flip side to that is - if a couple does NOT Recognize, even getting pregnant was nearly impossible right (such as the case for Nightfall and Redlance back in the Original Quest). So it seems like this idea of "Recognition" would be ideal, if it allowed them to continue to have children - but recognized parents bore a stronger child.

They lost the ability to have children outside recognition (to most extend) after they found a balance and adepted to the new world. And for me it makes perfect sense, Tymber. Elves are immortal. With the ability to procreate by will or even by chance frequently there would soon be over population. Recognition tends to replace those, who were lost ... and it granted the child the best possible start.

Blue Mountain was the extreme - a closed up community without danger and death means NO births at all.
The Go-Backs found another way. After death became frequent, even the rule they started to procreate outside Recognition ... but Go-Backs tend to die "young" by fate or will.

Tymber wrote:

And as for cancelling Recognition - I think it also depends. After all, how were the Sunfolk completely devoid of being able to truly Recognize and yet bare as many children as they did? (I know Leetah Recognized Cutter - but I don't think Leetah's parents recognized one another, for example? I could be wrong?)

Suntoucher and Thorah were recognized. HY #9 tells the story. Savah and Yurek, the foundes of Sorrow's End, were recognized. Vurdah longed for Recogniton to have a child, too. (The Heart's Way). The principle of Recognition was common for the Sunfolk - it happened rare, tho.

Tymber wrote:

So it seems like the idea of being able to do away with Recognition is there.

Or you know, it could just be "dramatic writing".....

THIS is always an option. ^^