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Lunakat
Posts : 2844 Join date : 2014-03-15 Location : On a rooftop, contemplating the moon
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:12 pm | |
| Wait a sec-- what did Wendy say to troll us ungrateful readers on Facebook? (Canine and fictional elf genetalia aside..) | |
| | | G0lden
Posts : 7833 Join date : 2012-06-26 Age : 62 Location : Northern California
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:05 pm | |
| Oh boy. A case of TMI. ___________________________________________________ Reese's, Kashmir's, and Tequila's mommy. | |
| | | Lunakat
Posts : 2844 Join date : 2014-03-15 Location : On a rooftop, contemplating the moon
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:12 pm | |
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| | | Kindredsoul
Posts : 1265 Join date : 2012-06-24
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:13 pm | |
| - Paranthropus wrote:
- last thing:
did anyone else who's on facebook notice the comment Wendy made recently that wolfrider penises are different from immortal elves', and that she was going to leave it up to us to figure out how?
First of all: whaaaaaaat?! Why is this even a thing? So now we're discussing the weird genitalia of wolfrider elves in a fantasy comic book? It's just getting to be a little too much. Sometimes fandom (and the creators) can get a little creepily weird and obsessive. Take a break. Go outside. The discussion stemmed from this Luna ___________________________________________________ Compliments go to Embala for bringing a British cat and an American dog together via Photoshop! chibi cutter compliments of katcombs! Cutter egg 2018 from Embala | |
| | | Kindredsoul
Posts : 1265 Join date : 2012-06-24
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:15 pm | |
| ___________________________________________________ Compliments go to Embala for bringing a British cat and an American dog together via Photoshop! chibi cutter compliments of katcombs! Cutter egg 2018 from Embala | |
| | | Lunakat
Posts : 2844 Join date : 2014-03-15 Location : On a rooftop, contemplating the moon
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:17 pm | |
| Thanks Kin. Yeah, I got that-- but where does she troll us? | |
| | | Embala
Posts : 16955 Join date : 2012-06-24 Age : 64 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:25 pm | |
| What are you talking about, Lunakat? Vaeri's joke? ___________________________________________________ Indem du etwas tust, das dir oder jemand anderem gefällt, erschaffst du bereits einen Wert. | |
| | | Kindredsoul
Posts : 1265 Join date : 2012-06-24
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:39 pm | |
| ok, now I'm lost then ___________________________________________________ Compliments go to Embala for bringing a British cat and an American dog together via Photoshop! chibi cutter compliments of katcombs! Cutter egg 2018 from Embala | |
| | | Lunakat
Posts : 2844 Join date : 2014-03-15 Location : On a rooftop, contemplating the moon
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:49 pm | |
| - Vaeri wrote:
- i had an amusing thought....Wendy and Richard are so ticked about our "ungrateful" attitudes as fans and lack of proper "OMG YOU ARE SO AWESOME, YOU CAN DO NO WRONG!!"-ness, they decided to use FQ to completely and utterly troll us.^^
not really, but it's a funny thought. I completely misunderstood this comment on first read! | |
| | | Redhead Ember
Posts : 6174 Join date : 2015-04-17 Age : 36 Location : Right here
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:27 am | |
| Speaking of trolls, know what I'd have loved to see? Picknose's reaction on seeing the beautified Oddbit. I imagine a lot of "A-ba-Buuuuh!" was involved. Not so sure I would've wanted to see the "dance" though... ___________________________________________________ "When you do what you love best, you shine where you love."Come play the Who Am I game! | |
| | | kathleen3.0
Posts : 411 Join date : 2015-03-26
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:12 am | |
| I do think it's sort of heartwarming that this comic brought us all together to talk about how terrible and OOC it is. | |
| | | Miss Gillespie
Posts : 625 Join date : 2015-04-25 Location : Shanghai
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:30 am | |
| - kathleen3.0 wrote:
- I do think it's sort of heartwarming that this comic brought us all together to talk about how terrible and OOC it is.
It's definitely one of the strengths of Final Quest | |
| | | Redhead Ember
Posts : 6174 Join date : 2015-04-17 Age : 36 Location : Right here
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:55 am | |
| I think FQ is neither terrible nor OOC. Sure, the characters have changed, but considering the amount of time that has passed during the course of the story - when including the Special - it's kinda to be expected.
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| | | Sifra
Posts : 824 Join date : 2015-07-07
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:07 am | |
| - Miss Gillespie wrote:
- kathleen3.0 wrote:
- I do think it's sort of heartwarming that this comic brought us all together to talk about how terrible and OOC it is.
It's definitely one of the strengths of Final Quest I agree. In combination with this forum I think FQ is quite enjoyable. And I also would have liked to see Picknose's reaction to Oddbit. ___________________________________________________ | |
| | | Davrille
Posts : 267 Join date : 2015-03-25 Age : 57
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:20 am | |
| - Redhead Ember wrote:
- I think FQ is neither terrible nor OOC.
Seconded. It's not nearly as strong a story as I would like, but it's not on the Forevergreen or Kahvi series level. | |
| | | Zadzi
Posts : 1375 Join date : 2015-07-11 Location : Always moving....
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:57 am | |
| Mediocrity has always been the devil to me: Well, it's not terrible, but it's not amazing either.
I liked the Kahvi series for the most part even though the artwork wasn't always good.
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| | | manga
Posts : 928 Join date : 2015-03-25
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:44 pm | |
| I was so intrigued when they said Oddbit was going to play a part. I suppose it's in-character enough for the trolls, but I'm disappointed it was so minor. Maybe there'll be more? I can hope. | |
| | | kathleen3.0
Posts : 411 Join date : 2015-03-26
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:49 pm | |
| - Davrille wrote:
- Redhead Ember wrote:
- I think FQ is neither terrible nor OOC.
Seconded. It's not nearly as strong a story as I would like, but it's not on the Forevergreen or Kahvi series level. Oh, well, at least it's not as bad as Forevergreen. Really? | |
| | | kathleen3.0
Posts : 411 Join date : 2015-03-26
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:50 pm | |
| - manga wrote:
- I was so intrigued when they said Oddbit was going to play a part. I suppose it's in-character enough for the trolls, but I'm disappointed it was so minor. Maybe there'll be more? I can hope.
It didn't strike me as in character at all. Picknose's adoration of Oddbit is one of his defining characteristics and to throw that away for a joke? But alright. It's cool, I'm cool. | |
| | | Zadzi
Posts : 1375 Join date : 2015-07-11 Location : Always moving....
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:01 pm | |
| Nothing quite compares to the horrors of Forever Green. It was, to me, an epic failure. That's why I think if you're going to fail, then fail big, fail in epic proportions, because here we are still talking about how awful Forever Green was. We will not be talking about Final Quest in a few years, I can tell you that. Mediocrity doesn't leave dents . ___________________________________________________ Thank you for the beautiful banner, Embala | |
| | | sun girl
Posts : 275 Join date : 2015-04-06
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:14 pm | |
| Regarding Forevergreen, I'm not sure I agree. I mean, it's unquestionable that the art was completely awful, but strictly as far as plot, characterization, pacing and generally making some iota of sense go, I think FQ has Forevergreen beat in the epic failure department. | |
| | | kathleen3.0
Posts : 411 Join date : 2015-03-26
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:20 pm | |
| The art in Forevergreen was awful to start with and got worse, but Sun Girl is right, the writing wasn't half bad. | |
| | | kathleen3.0
Posts : 411 Join date : 2015-03-26
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:22 pm | |
| I mean, it was racist, but it flowed. | |
| | | Zadzi
Posts : 1375 Join date : 2015-07-11 Location : Always moving....
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:46 pm | |
| I couldn't get past the artwork in Forever Green and have had to read the story in increments, and it was like allowing myself to digest it a little at a time because it was very difficult. Yes, the story was not as bad because there was more in-depth characterization in terms of how it dealt with another group of elves and I thought that was interesting. But the artwork was so off-putting for me, it truly, truly made it hard to read. I'm not sure I agree that FQ is on par with Forever Green in terms of epic failure. The artwork in FQ is very pretty, but it's lost a lot of 'heart', which makes it suffer the mediocrity disease. All the artwork discussion on here which was so eloquently talked about a few pages ago sort of goes with what I mean, The story itself, however, is a special breed of disaster in terms of how scattered it is. It doesn't focus on characterization either. The whole thing just feels very tepid and aggressively milquetoast. ___________________________________________________ Thank you for the beautiful banner, Embala | |
| | | sun girl
Posts : 275 Join date : 2015-04-06
| Subject: Re: Final Quest #11 Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:23 pm | |
| Zadzi: - see, I knew it, we do (basically) agree!
I also think the art in FQ, especially compared to OQ and other examples of Wendy at her best, has lost a lot of (I would say just about all of) its heart, as well as a great deal of technique. That could be put down to the "Photoshop learning curve", but honestly she's been using it since Searcher and the Sword which was several years ago, and her layouts, facial expressions and anatomy have only gotten sloppier since then. Not to mention the ever more noticeable cut-and-pasting.
Obviously even Wendy on her worst day (this) beats the pants off Barry Blair on his best (um… those last B&W issues where he drew Door sort of cute were... less horrible?) No question there.
I also also think that the story is a scattered mess, just all over the place. I don't know what the main plotline is or who the main players are, I don't know why anyone is behaving the way they are, I don't know what's important because everything is paced and weighted so bizarrely, I don't know which of the previous series can be considered canon anymore. I haven't been impressed with one panel of artwork or found a single thing that's happened plausible since the first issue of Discovery. With every new "revelation" I facepalm so hard it leaves a mark. I exaggerate, but I mean. This is just bad, you guys.
If you enjoyed Forevergreen less, or not at all, I can't blame you. That was pretty bad too. But I think if Wendy had drawn it, we'd barely be shrugging at the occasional odd plot point. It certainly contains nothing to compare to the mindbending ghastliness of Timmain's latest god-the-mother and god-the-son bafflegab. | |
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