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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Teir or Mender?   Debate: Teir or Mender? - Page 3 EmptyFri Mar 03, 2017 3:15 pm

Dart looked like he had PTSS from the battle, but I don't think that is a good "cause" for recognition. silent
It would be interesting to find out what happened in the Sun Villiage during that time.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Teir or Mender?   Debate: Teir or Mender? - Page 3 EmptyFri Mar 03, 2017 3:28 pm

I think everyone just went on with their lives, rebuilding. Though it's not really clear how long passes, are we talking hundreds of years, or thousands of years?
Actually, maybe their Recognition - other than the obvious Dart and Serrin being a good biological match was in part because Dart needed it. Didn't Bowki bring the first smile to his face for a very long time? Also in general to show that life goes on.

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I don't think it had to do with how Dart felt or what he personally needed. Recognition has not historically been terribly considerate that way.

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Well, they (the Sunfolk + whatever people of other tribes lived with them at the time) obviously needed new babies, and sometimes Recognition has taken certain considerations. Though, you could argue that the whole recognizing someone who already has a lifemate isn't very considerate, then again; the elves tend to not care about how many lifemates/lovemates they have at any given time.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Teir or Mender?   Debate: Teir or Mender? - Page 3 EmptyFri Mar 03, 2017 3:42 pm

I want to believe. ^^

Seriously - with such a long time of EQ and the concept of Recognition developing and changing and all the different authors and artists ... make up your own mind and roll with it. It's probably as good as anyone else's view on it.


It reminds me of my migraines ... or the unpleasant seasickness I tend to get in cars and busses. I know some of the reasons that will cause migraine or seasickness. I know what I'll better avoid to stay well ... and I know what will add to the probability to get sick.
Either way ... I had bad days and stayed well ... and splenid days when I got sick out of the blue.
That's how I see Recognition now. We know some of the triggers. But all those triggers working together does NOT guarantee Recognition ... and then it can happen without any hint the other day.

Human biology - hormones included - is based on chemistry. But it is not maths. Why should Recognition?

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Of course Recognition is completely random, but that doesn't mean we can't try and find some sort of patterns.

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Exactly.

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It seems to happen when the population has room to grow, when diverse gene pools meet, and when there is heightened adrenaline

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This makes sense. Especially if you extend the room to grow part to not just mean room in the literal, physical sense, but also in a more... society-ish sense. Which would mean that peaceful times would be the best time for Recognition.
And of course those factors sometimes mess up with each other, like Teir and Ember. Sure, there was probably pretty of adrenaline - and other emotions - but room? They might have been able to raise a child just fine in High Winds Holt, but what about room for the actual baby making? What were they supposed to do? Just get down to business in the middle of a battlefield?
Last, but not least; Recognition has one overlying concern: WEEE! BABIES!

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See, yeah-- that's why I think it's not so considerate of the individual

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Except for those cases where everything just happened to line up perfectly.

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I blame the authors, not the plot device

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Teir or Mender?   Debate: Teir or Mender? - Page 3 EmptyMon Mar 06, 2017 7:54 pm

Just out of curiosity, if Mender were to recognize someone who would you want it to be/who do you think would be the most interesting/who would be the best match for him?

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@Evil Evie wrote:
Just out of curiosity, if Mender were to recognize someone who would you want it to be/who do you think would be the most interesting/who would be the best match for him?
Ooooh. Good question!
I think Venka, Ahdri, or Aroree would be interesting.
Freetouch might be a little crazy in dynamic.... that would just be weird esp with the Dart thing.

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@Zadzi wrote:

Freetouch might be a little crazy in dynamic.... that would just be weird esp with the Dart thing.

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yessss! Now I am too... Strongbow all mad but with a runny nose too lol

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Teir or Mender?   Debate: Teir or Mender? - Page 3 EmptyMon Mar 06, 2017 10:32 pm

Mender'd do well with Yun,Krill,Korafay or Venka. Yun works well with Mender and they have great chemistry,plus she's got his number and doesn't fall for his tricks. Venka has the power to put him in his place,much like she does with Rayek and Winnowil. Plus,she's not easily impressed. Krill's fiery and independent, but OK with sleeping around. As for Korafay, well she's fearless and unafraid to try new things. He'd probably do alright with Tyleet who's as curious as Mender is and really can't be refused,except she's very sweet-natured and even-tempered.
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Yun and Mender were always my favorite pairing but I think it's been totally blown off. It makes me so sad. They were a kick ass couple, great chemistry, sneaky as hell, and she was still grounded enough to kick his butt when needed.
I'm actually quite annoyed that their pairing hasn't even been referred to in FQ. It's kind of demeaning actually. Yun and Mender went through A LOT together. In terms of emotional intensity, she's on par with Kimo. But not a single word. Oh yeah, they're 'elves and don't count as human' etc.. I hate that, it's just such a copout.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Teir or Mender?   Debate: Teir or Mender? - Page 3 EmptyTue Mar 07, 2017 5:21 am

@Zadzi wrote:
@Evil Evie wrote:
Just out of curiosity, if Mender were to recognize someone who would you want it to be/who do you think would be the most interesting/who would be the best match for him?
Ooooh. Good question!
I think Venka, Ahdri, or Aroree would be interesting.
Freetouch might be a little crazy in dynamic.... that would just be weird esp with the Dart thing.

Well, back when I still thought Dart and Kimo were a romantic item I wrote a story in which Freetouch (still named Chitter in that story) recognized Kimo. I think if Mender were to recognize Freetouch they'd all work it out just fine.

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@Zadzi wrote:

Freetouch might be a little crazy in dynamic.... that would just be weird esp with the Dart thing.

That sounds very tempting! Razz
I agree with Redhead; it would probably work out allright in the end.
Redhead: sounds like an interesting story! Can I read it somewhere?

I think Mender would do best with either Venka or Yun, but I like Yun better. They did have good chemistry and I think Yun is more fun than Venka.

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Here

And apparently I thought 16 was a sensible age for Freetouch/Chitter to recognize! Was Dewshine even that young?

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No, Dewshine wasn't that young. Remember that seven years passed between the first arc and the rest of the OQ. If she had been 16 at her Recognition then she would have been 9 during the events in "Journey to Sorrow's End" but she was clearly already a young adult.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Teir or Mender?   Debate: Teir or Mender? - Page 3 EmptyTue Mar 07, 2017 10:25 am

Dewshine was clearly an adolescent at the time of Madcoil and given that 13 years passed between that and Prisoners of Blue Mountain,she was in her 20's during her Recognition. I dunno how young elves can Recognize,but probably since onset of puberty.


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My guess: Dewshine looks nine or ten years old at the Madcoil encounter (roughly fits with the half-official timeline). Six years from Madcoil til EQ #1 are confirmed. Plus seven years from there til BM - makes Dewshine some 23 years old at Recognition. Same age as Cutter.

In the novelisation Savah tells that she "recognizes Yurek before her body was fully grown".
And in the BoTC books Stormlight recognized Tanner at very young age - almost too young to give birth as far as I've understood it. (BotC novelization specialists here?)

(Not counting the Original Wavedancers episode where Barmek recognized Raenafel when he was still a boy. Even too young to understand what just happened.)


I figure it can happen as early as reproduction is possible. But it's not common.

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I'm guessing Stormlight might've been anywhere from twelve to fourteen when she Recognized. That's the only Recognition in the novels that well and truly bugs me.

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