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PostSubject: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyTue Sep 10, 2019 8:59 pm

So Yeee and i have a bit of debate and we wanted to see what other people might think.

So turns out a lot of Yeee's characters enjoys a veerrry intimate relationship with each other. She thinks these incestual relationships would disgust other tribes and result in their expulsion and rejection from said tribes.

I think since elves are suppose to be omnisexual, this wouldn't be a big deal..and haven't related elves recognized through elfquest? Like cousins?

So what do you guys think?
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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 5:01 am

Related elves have definitely recognized!

Tyleet Kiss Scouter
Ember Tier Happy
Timmain Skywise smile

I also think there might have been Go-Backs sharing the furs without even knowing - or caring - that they were related.

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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 9:08 am

Also wasn't Kahvi a cousin of Cutters? She definitely tumbled with him and even wanted to have his kid to bind the tribes together!
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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 10:38 am

Cutter and Kahvi can't really be cousins.

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Them tumbling really shouldn't raise any eyebrows.

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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 11:42 am

Okaay distant cousins then...^^0 but if they're not a valid example oh well.

Also i realized just before i came to check the thread..Cutter and Skywise considered each other brothers in everything but blood..yet didn't Wendy imply that yes, they had rolled in the furs?
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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 11:52 am

*Having flashback to hysterically bad smut art made by Wendy*
Oh yeah, yeah they rolled around, yeah

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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 12:00 pm

I think this could be very close to incest...and considering in Yeee's pod, sibling relationships is pretty common. She said pretty much there ceases to be a line between family and mate feelings and it's all one to them.
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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 12:21 pm

@Vaeri wrote:
So Yeee and i have a bit of debate and we wanted to see what other people might think.

So turns out a lot of Yeee's characters enjoys a veerrry intimate relationship with each other. She thinks these incestual relationships would disgust other tribes and result in their expulsion and rejection from said tribes.

I think since elves are suppose to be omnisexual, this wouldn't be a big deal..and haven't related elves recognized through elfquest? Like cousins?

So what do you guys think?

To actually answer this, with canon in mind, I'm tempted to say no? I mean, I still remember reading that 'Strongbow was supposed to be Moonshade's son and mate'-thread from the old scroll.

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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 4:26 pm

@Shadowpath wrote:

To actually answer this, with canon in mind, I'm tempted to say no? I mean, I still remember reading that 'Strongbow was supposed to be Moonshade's son and mate'-thread from the old scroll.

Err no to my thoughts or no to Yeee's?
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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 5:22 pm

Yeee's.
@Vaeri wrote:
She thinks these incestual relationships would disgust other tribes and result in their expulsion and rejection from said tribes.

The wolfriders, sunfolk, the gobacks, everybody is inbred one way or another. (Some worse than others, let's be real.) I mean, look at the wolfriders. Everybody has the same common ancestor and Recognition isn't terribly keen on getting actual new blood in for some very odd reason.

But, really she can have them be disgusted! I can see it happening. There's so few of them and these ones only want to shag their family members? Whaaat

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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 6:29 pm

Well at least it doesn't seem they only want to tumble family..it's just what they had available. We've been having fun pairing some characters...my Vaeri has an alternate fate in that she ends up with Yeee's landhearted son Blackfin. A pale Rayek for Vaeri now that i think of it, lol!

Embala seems to have claimed Yeee's other son Sharuk..though whether she sticks to him or throws him off for Haken remains to be seen lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 6:32 pm

Ah! My characters have been harassing me to ask if it was a case of forced isolation for the last couple of hours. It's understandable if that's the case.

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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 6:37 pm

Perhaps not so much forced isolation as much other elves just don't happen to pass by. They do live in the ocean after all!
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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 6:39 pm

That counts as forced isolation to me.

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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 6:46 pm

fair enough then! but perhaps now Yeee will feel more comfortable branching her tribe now, since it seems indeed very unlikely other tribes would reject them.
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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 6:53 pm

oh hi, you have already started the discussion , Vaeri. Interesting to read this.
I believe that the "bloodmating" as my pod calls it, may be normal  for all tribes until a certain degree of relationship when it comes to cousins ,  uncles and nieces and reversed and ancestor and far away descendant. Siblings might be ok, but it seems weird, but something like parent and child seems very crazy, sick and abusive.
I believe that Wendy surely has not designed the recognition - and mating-possibility to fit in with first degree relationship, considering that sexuality is not the easiest topic in the us anyway. And the Pinis would not like to shoo away readers which could feel repelled by incestous mating (unthinkable for someone who wants to sell the storys and live from the income ). Therefore I don`t think, that Strongbow is Moonshades son , I think that does not fit.

Hi Shadowpath, I must explain that pod-bloodmating to answer your question:
first: My Elves descent from hostile Deep Sea dwelling Elves which have no interest in any contact with elves from stranger pods or tribes. This is one of many animalic traces in their genetic (yes animal-blood, like Wolfriders, grin). That "animal-blood" is now strongly working in Yeees High sea Elf pod and gives them the feeling, that the "bloodmating" is totally normal (because of that "stay with the pod and hate every stranger-urge inside them") , they love their kin and when they are old enough, mating is accepted.
second: Leads to the question, why is my tribe not in the deep sea but in the high sea and on the shore? My OC Yeee was bred out of that "cursed" (by the Deep Sea Elves) recognition with someone air-breathing stranger. The Deep Sea Elves can only breathe water, they have no changing ability. The pod rejected the pregnancy and threatened the mom to kill the baby after birth. So mom rescued her water and air-breathing newborn baby Yeee to the land, where it was safe from the hostile pod. Yeee grew up with nearly knowing nothing of her mothers pod or other deepsea elves, their customs and their animal heritage, with that she does not know that she is mortal and what odd ancient animal  instincts rule her and her own offsprings. So far for today. I hope I have given a good explanation.
And yes, you are right: It is forced isolation, from the beginning and then later again
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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 7:08 pm

i don't like to lollygag....XD i'm a very quick person. glad you have you to explain things yourself, i didn't want to presume too much!

poor Yeee...but yay that her mother could save her! and huh...i never would have figured it WAS forced isolation!

since Strongbow was originally planned as Moonshade's son...then i say definitely parent/child relationships would not have been rejected. unless Strongbow and his mother Moonshade would have been outcasts within the tribe...but we may never know that*shrug*
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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyWed Sep 11, 2019 7:17 pm

@Vaeri wrote:

since Strongbow was originally planned as Moonshade's son...then i say definitely parent/child relationships would not have been rejected. unless Strongbow and his mother Moonshade would have been outcasts within the tribe...but we may never know that*shrug*

I always had the notion it wouldn't have been considered weird in universe so I doubt it would get them kicked.

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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyThu Sep 12, 2019 1:33 am

@ Vaeri : Again I had not enough time to write yesterday and had to send the text too fast.
Yeee grew up in forced isolation, only with ugly humans and 2 male elves around her. Slowly but surely she became longing for her father. That was the beginning.

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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyThu Sep 12, 2019 5:13 am

There is definitely incest. All the Sunfolk are descended from Savah and her mother Hassbet.

But I don't think Skywise and Cutter counts as incest. They're not really brothers by blood.

Also, we've seen Strongbow's mother. Her name was Trueflight.

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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyMon Sep 16, 2019 4:48 pm

Wouldn't having animal blood (animal dna) mean, one is more adverse to incest than regular elves?

The thing with the elves is, they don't exist in a separate universe. The stories are made by humans to be enjoyed /consumed by humans.
Although the Pinis (and many fans) are quick to claim "but the elves are different, they aren't us", the conics are a reflection, a product of this world. While sex between Cutter and Ember would follow EQ logic, it would be even harder to digest than TimTam

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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyTue Sep 17, 2019 5:06 am

what means Tim Tam?

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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyTue Sep 17, 2019 10:35 am

Spoilers, I guess:


TimTam is a reference to the fact Cutter is, according to Final Quest, basically Timmain's avatar/a part of her soul. Timmain is Cutter, Cutter is Timmain.

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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyTue Sep 17, 2019 11:53 am

ah yes, no spoiler. But I don`t think that Tim Tam is so hard to digest, only for Cutter himself it was a drama, which I found a little bit exaggerated.

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PostSubject: Re: Incest in Elfquest?   Incest in Elfquest? EmptyThu Sep 19, 2019 5:55 pm

Uhm, TimTam was not received well by fans, that's what I meant with hard to digest. The elves would probably celebrate the fact of the one kin seeker being a splinter of the last surviving high one.

By EQ elf logic, a parent lovingly and intimately introducing his or her child into the world of live would probably be a great thing. And it would be a scene of love and tenderness and gratefulness.

And we, the reader, would have a scene of a child getting fucked by his or her parent.

What is this scene suppsosed to tell the reader?

Elves are different and have different norms? Then elves being accepting and caring probably also stems from them being different. People laud the comics for its early depiction of a mixed relationship, but anyone could just as well point out, that elves aren't humans, and just it works for them it doesn't have to work for us as well.

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